Thread: Captain Andrew Drummond MBE, Black Watch

Chiad Fhear · 14-10-2008, 07:27 AM

Hi all

I'm trying to find out even more about my late cousin Captain Andrew Drummond, Black Watch:

ANDREW DRUMMOND, b. 28 Apr 1902, High Street, Anstruther Wester, Fife; d. 27 Mar 1978, 10 Glentilt Crescent, Perth, Perthshire; m. ETHEL WILSON, 05 Apr 1926, 13 Beaumont Gate, Glasgow; b. Abt. 1899, (Possibly) Glasgow.

The 1926 Marriage Record shows he was a Sergeant Instructor, 1st Bn., Black Watch at Glencorse Barracks, Edinburgh, Midlothian.

From 'Officers of the Black Watch 1725-1986' : page 44:
"DRUMMOND : Andrew MBE, enlisted in the Black Watch 30th July 1919 : Lieutenant (QM) 14 April 1944 : Captain (QM) 1 July 1946 : QM 2nd Bn. January 1947 : QM 1st Bn. 20 September 1947 : Retired 27 November 1948 : Died at Perth 27 March 1978."

His Commission is confirmed in the Supplement to The London Gazette of Friday the 12th of May 1944 : Issue number: 36513, Page number: 2219 reads:
"War Office, 16th May, 1944
Black Watch
Lt. (Qr.-Mr.) Andrew DRUMMOND, M.B.E. (313233) (emergency Commn.) to be Lt. (Qr.-Mr.). 14th Apr. 1944."

and then

His commission is, retrospectively, promulgated in the Supplement to the London Gazette of Friday the 16th of May 1944 : Issue number: 36513, Page number: 2220 reads:
"Black Watch.
R.S.M. Andrew DRUMMOND, M.B.E. (313233) to be Lt. (Qr.-Mr,). 25th Mar. 1944"

This information shows that he was awarded the MBE (Member of the Order of the British Empire) BEFORE March 1944 but I can't find out when

Anyone able to help?

kari · 14-10-2008, 09:02 AM

kari · 14-10-2008, 09:03 AM

sorry was this the royal higland reg ?

Chiad Fhear · 14-10-2008, 09:16 AM

Yes Kari

You've got it in one!

Raven · 14-10-2008, 09:41 AM

Hi

Just a thought... would it be worth a trip or a phone call to the Black Watch Museum in Perth.. They just might be able to give you an answer to your query.

I went to the Gordon Highlander museum in Aberdeen and the Archivist there was able to give me some info about my Gr Gr Grandfather who served in the regiment in the 1880's

Raven

Chiad Fhear · 14-10-2008, 11:37 AM

Thanks Raven ... I've got 'lots of fingers' in 'lots of pies' on this one.

Archives at the Black Watch Museum in Balhousie Castle have been approached but seem to be dragging their heels. That's the impatientce coming out in me now! When I say, "Jump!" I expect the answer to be, "How High?" That's what comes of being ex-service I suppose! Even the Ceremonial Secretariat at the Cabinet Office have become involved!! I've got some help from the Black Watch website forum members ... but there's still that elusive date of award to find out!

Fine day here in the East Neuk! Fit like in Stoney?

Cheers

Raven · 14-10-2008, 11:52 AM

Nae bad at a'.. Sun has come oot tae say hello... jist fer a wee while like....lol

Hope you get some answers. Canny think of owt else. Maybe a who's who??

kari · 14-10-2008, 11:52 AM

Did Andrew have a middle name ?

Raven · 14-10-2008, 11:58 AM

oh what about the National Archives at Kew....

just a wee thought..

Chiad Fhear · 14-10-2008, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kari

Did Andrew have a middle name ?

Hi Kari

There was nothing on the Birth, Marriage or Death registers relating to him to suggest he had. Neither was there any middle initials for him in The London Gazette .. and we know how pedantic old newsprint compositors used to be!

Regards

14-10-2008, 07:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
Chiad Fhear Advanced Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: St Andrews, Fife Posts: 145 Total Awards: 2	Captain Andrew Drummond MBE, Black Watch Hi all I'm trying to find out even more about my late cousin Captain Andrew Drummond, Black Watch: ANDREW DRUMMOND, b. 28 Apr 1902, High Street, Anstruther Wester, Fife; d. 27 Mar 1978, 10 Glentilt Crescent, Perth, Perthshire; m. ETHEL WILSON, 05 Apr 1926, 13 Beaumont Gate, Glasgow; b. Abt. 1899, (Possibly) Glasgow. The 1926 Marriage Record shows he was a Sergeant Instructor, 1st Bn., Black Watch at Glencorse Barracks, Edinburgh, Midlothian. From 'Officers of the Black Watch 1725-1986' : page 44: "DRUMMOND : Andrew MBE, enlisted in the Black Watch 30th July 1919 : Lieutenant (QM) 14 April 1944 : Captain (QM) 1 July 1946 : QM 2nd Bn. January 1947 : QM 1st Bn. 20 September 1947 : Retired 27 November 1948 : Died at Perth 27 March 1978." His Commission is confirmed in the Supplement to The London Gazette of Friday the 12th of May 1944 : Issue number: 36513, Page number: 2219 reads: "War Office, 16th May, 1944 Black Watch Lt. (Qr.-Mr.) Andrew DRUMMOND, M.B.E. (313233) (emergency Commn.) to be Lt. (Qr.-Mr.). 14th Apr. 1944." and then His commission is, retrospectively, promulgated in the Supplement to the London Gazette of Friday the 16th of May 1944 : Issue number: 36513, Page number: 2220 reads: "Black Watch. R.S.M. Andrew DRUMMOND, M.B.E. (313233) to be Lt. (Qr.-Mr,). 25th Mar. 1944" This information shows that he was awarded the MBE (Member of the Order of the British Empire) *BEFORE March 1944* but I can't find out when Anyone able to help?
	*Aye mair questions than answers in a world where the past was a different place - that cannae be revisited!!*

14-10-2008, 09:02 AM	#2 (permalink)
kari Committed Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 84	Re: Captain Andrew Drummond MBE, Black Watch WAS
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14-10-2008, 09:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
kari Committed Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 84	Re: Captain Andrew Drummond MBE, Black Watch sorry was this the royal higland reg ?
kari Committed Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 84

14-10-2008, 09:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
Chiad Fhear Advanced Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: St Andrews, Fife Posts: 145 Total Awards: 2	Re: Captain Andrew Drummond MBE, Black Watch Yes Kari You've got it in one!
	*Aye mair questions than answers in a world where the past was a different place - that cannae be revisited!!*

14-10-2008, 09:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
Raven Super Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sunny Stonehaven Posts: 2,745 Total Awards: 5	Re: Captain Andrew Drummond MBE, Black Watch Hi Just a thought... would it be worth a trip or a phone call to the Black Watch Museum in Perth.. They just might be able to give you an answer to your query. I went to the Gordon Highlander museum in Aberdeen and the Archivist there was able to give me some info about my Gr Gr Grandfather who served in the regiment in the 1880's Raven
	Raven.. researching: Matchett (Ayrshire, Dundee),McFarland (Co derry NI) Dick, Ewing, Nairn, Young (Ayrshire) Koehler (East Prussia), Russell( Peebleshire)

14-10-2008, 11:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
Chiad Fhear Advanced Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: St Andrews, Fife Posts: 145 Total Awards: 2	Re: Captain Andrew Drummond MBE, Black Watch Thanks Raven ... I've got 'lots of fingers' in 'lots of pies' on this one. Archives at the Black Watch Museum in Balhousie Castle have been approached but seem to be dragging their heels. That's the impatientce coming out in me now! When I say, "Jump!" I expect the answer to be, "How High?" That's what comes of being ex-service I suppose! Even the Ceremonial Secretariat at the Cabinet Office have become involved!! I've got some help from the Black Watch website forum members ... but there's still that elusive date of award to find out! Fine day here in the East Neuk! Fit like in Stoney? Cheers
	*Aye mair questions than answers in a world where the past was a different place - that cannae be revisited!!*

14-10-2008, 11:52 AM	#7 (permalink)
Raven Super Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sunny Stonehaven Posts: 2,745 Total Awards: 5	Re: Captain Andrew Drummond MBE, Black Watch Nae bad at a'.. Sun has come oot tae say hello... jist fer a wee while like....lol Hope you get some answers. Canny think of owt else. Maybe a who's who??
	Raven.. researching: Matchett (Ayrshire, Dundee),McFarland (Co derry NI) Dick, Ewing, Nairn, Young (Ayrshire) Koehler (East Prussia), Russell( Peebleshire)

14-10-2008, 11:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
kari Committed Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 84	Re: Captain Andrew Drummond MBE, Black Watch Did Andrew have a middle name ?
kari Committed Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 84

14-10-2008, 11:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
Raven Super Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sunny Stonehaven Posts: 2,745 Total Awards: 5	Re: Captain Andrew Drummond MBE, Black Watch oh what about the National Archives at Kew.... just a wee thought..
	Raven.. researching: Matchett (Ayrshire, Dundee),McFarland (Co derry NI) Dick, Ewing, Nairn, Young (Ayrshire) Koehler (East Prussia), Russell( Peebleshire)