Thread: Finding the parents of James Old.

kglund

I have lots of info on my gg grandparents James Old and Mary Jane Hooper but cant get any further back with either of them. I'm hoping someone can suggest a way forward. Sorry for the length of this.
Here's what I know:-
James Old b abt 1819. 1861 & 1881 census have his birthplace as Dorset, 1871 gives Surrey(ancestry transcribes as North Perthe, Surrey but not sure it is), 1891 gives London. 1851 gives what I think is Piddletrenthide, Dorset (ancestry transcribes as Piddle Kent Side) - I'm going with this as it's the most precise and the place does exist but cant find him there - the parish records have been transcribed on opcdorset.com but 1819 is missing.
I can't find him on 1841 census, there is another James Old b Piddletrenthide in abt 1828 but dont think this is him as the census' seem to suggest this James stays there. I know that by 1845 my James is in London - he marries my gg grandmother Mary Jane Hooper 21 June 1845 in Stepney. They stay in London until the 1870's when they move to Hull where they remain until their deaths. James is a shipwright / ship's carpenter all through his life (a profession he passes onto his sons).
I ordered the marriage certificate of James and Mary Jane - this arrived today - it gives James' father as Thomas Old occ-farmer and Mary Jane's father as Robert Hooper, occ-shipwright. It doesnt say that either are deceased - would it do so in 1845 if they were ? The witnesses are a John Fahy and ? Price - neither name rings a bell.
I still can't find anymore info on IGI using these names so what do I do now? Or is the end of the line and there's nothing I can do.
Thanks for any suggestions

welshlady

there are two thomas olds born piddletrenthide dorset on 1841 census

Thomas OldAge:65 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1776Gender:Male Where bornorset, EnglandCivil Parish:Piddletrenthide Hundred:Piddletrent hide County/Islandorset Country:England Street address:


Registration district Dorchester and Cerne Sub registration district:Cerne Neighbors:View others on page Household Members:NameAgeJohn Kiddle40 Richard Kiddle12 Thomas Old65 agricultural labourer


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 283; Book: 26; Civil Parish: Piddletrenthide; County: Dorset; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 9; Page: 13; Line: 3; GSU roll: 241338.

and
Thomas OldAge:25 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1816Gender:Male Where bornorset, EnglandCivil Parish:Piddletrenthide Hundred:Piddletrent hide County/IslandDorset Country:England Street address:

Occupation:

Registration districtorchester and Cerne Sub registration district:Cerne Neighbors:View others on page Household Members:NameAgeAnn Old3 Elizabeth Old20 Thomas Old25 agricultural labourer

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 283; Book: 26; Civil Parish: Piddletrenthide; County: Dorset; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 12; Page: 19; Line: 17; GSU roll: 241338

i would think first one is father and second one brother

welshlady

on 1851 England Census there is only one thomas - the brother?

Name:Thomas OldAge:37 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1814Relation:Head Spouse's Name:ElizabethGender:MaleWhere born:Piddletrenthide, Dorset, EnglandCivil Parish:Piddletrenthide County/Islandorset Country:England Street address:

Occupation: agric lab

Registration districtorchester Sub registration district:Cerne ED, institution, or vessel:13 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:83Household Members:NameAgeWilliam Loveless61 Amoka Old8 Ann Old34 Eliza Ann Old12 Elizabeth Old32 George Old9 Joseph Old2 Mary Jane Old3 Thomas Old37

there is this death between 1841 and 1851 which might be thomas the father

Thomas Harris Old Year of Registration:1847Quarter of Registration:Oct-Nov-DecDistrict:ChardCountyevon, Dorset, SomersetVolume:10Page:241

welshlady

these are the christenings dates of OLds in dorset . hopefully some of these will be of use to you

Amelia Old14 Apr 1843Piddletrenthide, Dorset, England
Ann Old3 Mar 1851Piddletrenthide, Dorset, England
Charles Old7 Jul 1807Piddletrenthide, Dorset, England
Charles Henry Old16 Jun 1878Dorchester, Dorset, England
Charles Thomas Old2 Feb 1834Dorchester, Dorset, England
Edith Old1 May 1836Fordington, Dorset, England
Eliza Old30 Apr 1838Piddletrenthide, Dorset, England
George Old5 Sep 1841Piddletrenthide, Dorset, England
Henry Old1 Nov 1773Yetminster, Dorset, England
James Thomas Old28 Feb 1864Poole, Dorset, England29 Jan 1864
Johanna Old1 Jul 1798Piddletown, Dorset, England
Mary Old27 May 1838Fordington, Dorset, England
Mary Ann Old12 Feb 1804Piddletrenthide, Dorset, England
Mary Jane Old4 Jul 1847Piddletrenthide, Dorset, England

Thomas Old24 Feb 1803Melcombe Regis, Dorset, England
Thomas Old1 Feb 1736Yetminster, Dorset, England
Thomas Old22 Nov 1774Wootton Glanville, Dorset, England
Thomas Old26 Oct 1834Burton Bradstock, Dorset, England
Thomas Old14 May 1803Fordington, Dorset, England
Thomas Old13 Oct 1825Folke, Dorset, England
Thomas Old13 Sep 1807Folke, Dorset, England
Thomas Old1 Dec 1816Whitchurch Canonicorum, Dorset, England
Thomas Old7 Jan 1814Piddlehinton, Dorset, England
Thomas Old7 Nov 1869Wootton Glanville, Dorset, England
Thomas Old22 Sep 1844 Cerne Abbas, Dorset, England
William Old15 Apr 1810 Piddletrenthide, Dorset, England

welshlady

also one marriage
Thomas OldSarah Loveless18 Mar 1793Piddletrenthide, Dorset, England

welshlady

and a few more marriages

James OldElizabeth Diment5 Apr 1829Cerne Abbas, Dorset, England

James OldJane Bridge25 Nov 1748 Piddlehinton, Dorset, England

James OldJoan Tyrrel16 Dec 1756 Piddletrenthide, Dorset, England

James OldJane Antell12 Aug 1802 Cerne Abbas, Dorset, England

kglund

Thanks for all that Welshlady - is there anyway I can link the Thomas Old (the elder one) on the 1841 census to my James - as can't definitely say he was born in Piddletrenthide? Does a death certificate give place of birth? Plus still cant find James on the 1841 - I suppose he could be in London by then.

welshlady

you really need james birth or baptism record to find out where he was baptised to be sure of his birth place. if it is piddletrenthide then i feel sure that the thomas is the right one - it is only a small place.

death certificate does not give place of birth, simply address of death, name of informant etc. there are actually a few other thomas deaths that might fit thomas the older in dorchester between 1841 and 1851 - i have now found four in total. 2 before 1845 and two after.

welshlady

looked for mary jane hooper before marriage and also robert in 1841 census in london assuming that is where they would be as she married there. cant find them yet for definite. actually what does the later census say for mary janes birthplace

welshlady

if you discover they are from piddletrenthide this site should help oyou

http://www.opcdorset.com/PiddleFiles...etrenthide.htm