Thread: John Neilson living in New York in 1847

Chiad Fhear · 23-08-2008, 12:17 PM

I'm hoping someone can help me with this one ...

I have a relative John Neilson b. 9 Oct 1818 in Blairgowrie, Perthshire who emigrated to the US before the 1841 Scottish Census was called as there is no record for him then - or in later years.

However, I have discovered that he was provided for in his father's Extract, Disposition & Settlement (Last Will & Testament) of 1847 and then in 1885 an entry in the Trust Disposition & Deed of Settlement ofhis (rather wealthier) sister Cecilia shows that she directed her Trustees to:

"... set aside and invest in their own names the sum of £500 out of the Trust Estate under their charge and to pay and account for the whole interest and other annual profits arising therefrom to John Neilson, Baker, Brooklyn, New York, during his life and at his death to pay and divide the capital sum to and among his children then alive, the capital sum to and among his children then alive equally share and share alike ..."

£500 sterling from 1885 is worth around £38,700 or US$72,110 today!

I don't think he was married when he emigrated - although I'm prepared to stand corrected - but I'd like to find out WHEN he emigrated ... WHEN, WHERE & IF he married ... DETAILS of any issue ... and anything else that comes to light for him.

Starlight · 23-08-2008, 01:35 PM

Hi Chiad Fhear,

Have you any idea of his occupation in 1847

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Chiad Fhear · 24-08-2008, 06:50 AM

Hi Starlight ... Nice to hear from you again

I'm afraid I have no more than what you see for John plus his parents and grandparents. His grandfather was a Wright (joiner) and his father an Excise Officer.

Had he appeared on the 1841 Census I would have been able to determine his occupation from it.

The reference to him as a 'Baker' in his sister's Will is the best I can do

Starlight · 25-08-2008, 02:08 AM

Hi Chiad Fhear,

I haven't forgotten about you. I have found a John Nelson, a baker in New York and born in Scotland. There is also a John Neil but he is a carpet designer. I cannot find a John Neilson born around the right time. There is one John Neilson on the passenger lists born around the right time but he would have been in Scotland still in 1841. I will get back to you.

Chiad Fhear · 25-08-2008, 07:04 AM

Thanks Starlight.

John's Father's 'Disposition and Settlement' of 1847 reads:

"I James Neilson formerly of the Excise in Scotland now residing at Gowan Brae, Blairgowrie, considering it to be a duty incumbent on me for the welfare of my family to settle my affairs in the event of my death, and that my sons Alexander and John have already received from me what I consider will be equal to the shares of what I have to leave to the others of my family ..."

As I said earlier, I couldn't find John on the 1841 Census but then he 'appeared' here and again in his sister Cecilia's Will as being in New York, so I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that he'd emigrated 'across the pond' before 1841.

Regards

Starlight · 25-08-2008, 11:42 PM

Hi Chiad Fhear,

I cannot find another one near the right date of birth. He is a joiner , but if he is the right one should be on the 1841 & 1851 census.

John Neilson
Arrival Date:12 Aug 1851
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1817
Age:34
Gender:Male
Port of Departure:Glasgow, Scotland
Destination:United States of America
Place of Origin:Scotland
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality:Scottish (Scotish)
Ship Name:American Lass
Port of Arrival:New York
Port Arrival State:New York
Port Arrival Country:United States

William Neilson/25/Ploughman/Scotland
Ellen Neilson/23/
William Hunter/27/Merchant/

John Neilson/34/Joiner/Scotland
Agnes Neilson/29/ "
Agnes Neilson/7/ "
Thomas Neilson/6/ "
Mary Neilson/4/ "
Samuel Neilson/3/ "
James Neilson/10 Months/ "

If you think this could be the right John let me know and I will try tracing them on the census.

Chiad Fhear · 28-08-2008, 04:29 PM

I'm not sure Starlight. I need to look harder for Census returns I think.

Thanks anyway.

23-08-2008, 12:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
Chiad Fhear Advanced Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: St Andrews, Fife Posts: 105 Total Awards: 2	John Neilson living in New York in 1847 I'm hoping someone can help me with this one ... I have a relative John Neilson b. 9 Oct 1818 in Blairgowrie, Perthshire who emigrated to the US before the 1841 Scottish Census was called as there is no record for him then - or in later years. However, I have discovered that he was provided for in his father's Extract, Disposition & Settlement (Last Will & Testament) of 1847 and then in 1885 an entry in the Trust Disposition & Deed of Settlement ofhis (rather wealthier) sister Cecilia shows that she directed her Trustees to: "... set aside and invest in their own names the sum of £500 out of the Trust Estate under their charge and to pay and account for the whole interest and other annual profits arising therefrom to John Neilson, Baker, Brooklyn, New York, during his life and at his death to pay and divide the capital sum to and among his children then alive, the capital sum to and among his children then alive equally share and share alike ..." £500 sterling from 1885 is worth around £38,700 or US$72,110 today! I don't think he was married when he emigrated - although I'm prepared to stand corrected - but I'd like to find out WHEN he emigrated ... WHEN, WHERE & IF he married ... DETAILS of any issue ... and anything else that comes to light for him.
	*Aye mair questions than answers in a world where the past was a different place - that cannae be revisited!!*

23-08-2008, 01:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Starlight Ancestry Aid Manager Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: South Essex Posts: 15,770 Total Awards: 8	Re: John Neilson living in New York in 1847 Hi Chiad Fhear, Have you any idea of his occupation in 1847 .
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24-08-2008, 06:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
Chiad Fhear Advanced Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: St Andrews, Fife Posts: 105 Total Awards: 2	Re: John Neilson living in New York in 1847 Hi Starlight ... Nice to hear from you again I'm afraid I have no more than what you see for John plus his parents and grandparents. His grandfather was a Wright (joiner) and his father an Excise Officer. Had he appeared on the 1841 Census I would have been able to determine his occupation from it. The reference to him as a 'Baker' in his sister's Will is the best I can do
	*Aye mair questions than answers in a world where the past was a different place - that cannae be revisited!!*

25-08-2008, 02:08 AM	#4 (permalink)
Starlight Ancestry Aid Manager Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: South Essex Posts: 15,770 Total Awards: 8	Re: John Neilson living in New York in 1847 Hi Chiad Fhear, I haven't forgotten about you. I have found a John Nelson, a baker in New York and born in Scotland. There is also a John Neil but he is a carpet designer. I cannot find a John Neilson born around the right time. There is one John Neilson on the passenger lists born around the right time but he would have been in Scotland still in 1841. I will get back to you.
	Starlight Ancestry Aid Manager Hampshire:- Barks, Bartholomew, Carpenter, Cousens, Cousins, Dumper, Gallagher, Goodchild, Glasspool, Hoskins, Light, Mason, Monday, Mundy, Pearce, Pitt, Shepherd, Spreadbury, Staniford, Terrill, Thornton, Warne, Webb, Woodford & many more. Top Tip: Use the forum search engine

25-08-2008, 07:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
Chiad Fhear Advanced Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: St Andrews, Fife Posts: 105 Total Awards: 2	Re: John Neilson living in New York in 1847 Thanks Starlight. John's Father's 'Disposition and Settlement' of 1847 reads: "I James Neilson formerly of the Excise in Scotland now residing at Gowan Brae, Blairgowrie, considering it to be a duty incumbent on me for the welfare of my family to settle my affairs in the event of my death, and that my sons Alexander and John have already received from me what I consider will be equal to the shares of what I have to leave to the others of my family ..." As I said earlier, I couldn't find John on the 1841 Census but then he 'appeared' here and again in his sister Cecilia's Will as being in New York, so I assumed, perhaps wrongly, that he'd emigrated 'across the pond' before 1841. Regards
	*Aye mair questions than answers in a world where the past was a different place - that cannae be revisited!!*

25-08-2008, 11:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
Starlight Ancestry Aid Manager Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: South Essex Posts: 15,770 Total Awards: 8	Re: John Neilson living in New York in 1847 Hi Chiad Fhear, I cannot find another one near the right date of birth. He is a joiner , but if he is the right one should be on the 1841 & 1851 census. John Neilson Arrival Date:12 Aug 1851 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1817 Age:34 Gender:Male Port of Departure:Glasgow, Scotland Destination:United States of America Place of Origin:Scotland Ethnicity/Race/Nationality:Scottish (Scotish) Ship Name:American Lass Port of Arrival:New York Port Arrival State:New York Port Arrival Country:United States William Neilson/25/Ploughman/Scotland Ellen Neilson/23/ William Hunter/27/Merchant/ John Neilson/34/Joiner/Scotland Agnes Neilson/29/ " Agnes Neilson/7/ " Thomas Neilson/6/ " Mary Neilson/4/ " Samuel Neilson/3/ " James Neilson/10 Months/ " If you think this could be the right John let me know and I will try tracing them on the census. Last edited by Starlight; 26-08-2008 at 12:01 AM.
	Starlight Ancestry Aid Manager Hampshire:- Barks, Bartholomew, Carpenter, Cousens, Cousins, Dumper, Gallagher, Goodchild, Glasspool, Hoskins, Light, Mason, Monday, Mundy, Pearce, Pitt, Shepherd, Spreadbury, Staniford, Terrill, Thornton, Warne, Webb, Woodford & many more. Top Tip: Use the forum search engine

28-08-2008, 04:29 PM	#7 (permalink)
Chiad Fhear Advanced Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: St Andrews, Fife Posts: 105 Total Awards: 2	Re: John Neilson living in New York in 1847 I'm not sure Starlight. I need to look harder for Census returns I think. Thanks anyway.
	*Aye mair questions than answers in a world where the past was a different place - that cannae be revisited!!*