Thread: ILLEGITIMATE BIRTH, FATHER NEEDS FINDING

digger2 · 21-08-2008, 07:53 AM

I am wondering if anybody has been in a similar position and can kindly advise me on what to do next

I have a marriage cert with the bride not sharing the same surname as her father. All I have is his name nothing else whatsoever. Is it possible to trace him and find out more about him?

Hoping that someone can help/advise before I give up finally on this line.

regards

digger

lizanne · 21-08-2008, 10:29 AM

Hi Digger do you have the brides birth certificate ?

21-08-2008, 10:47 AM

Digger maybe she had been married before?

I have a marriage cert and it says bride spinster but she isnt as I have her 1st marriage cert..

It might help if we had some names and dates

Starlight · 21-08-2008, 11:31 AM

Hi Digger,

It is also possible that this is her first Marriage and that he is her real father. If she was born before her parents wedding her surname may have been registered in her mother's maiden name.

digger2 · 21-08-2008, 12:46 PM

Ann Bays was bc 1825, Worcestershire. I have her on census with her stepfather and mother, 1841. 1851 she was married, anmd living with the same family. From her marriage cert, that's where I got her father's name from, which is different to the census. I also have a half sibling's birth cert which states her mother's name was formerly Bayes.

That led me to believe that Ann was illegitimate as there was also a gap between her birth and the next half sibling.

welshlady · 21-08-2008, 05:15 PM

i think she probably was ilegitimate and her real father named on the marriage certificate. did the certificate not give his occupation ? and whether he was deceased. you could then start looking for people of that name and occupation in the area. whether you have any luck might depend upon how common the fathers name was. you poss might find some possibles but whether you could prove it is another thing. parish records sometimes give more info - vicars sometimes added notes in margins about parentage etc.

digger2 · 21-08-2008, 05:56 PM

Thanks very much everyone for your help. It is very much appreciated as I feel I have got a bit further now. I do believe she was illeg. I just wish her natural father had left more clues!

lizanne · 21-08-2008, 06:47 PM

Hi Digger,
If you have the fathers name you could possibly try the Worcester branch of the BMSGH.

http://www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk/index.html

digger2 · 22-08-2008, 10:58 AM

Fantastic, Lizanne, thanks very much for this website, I will definately make enquiries, nothing to lose from doing so!

digger

gillian · 28-08-2008, 05:59 PM

Hi digger - I'm really confused by this - maybe I'm misreading the query. Could you post the full details ie name of father on marriage certificate, who she is living with on 1841 & 1851 (and where 1851 says she was born?)
Christening 4 Mar 1825 Kidderminster Worcs Ann Bayes parents James & ELizabeth
Gillian

21-08-2008, 07:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
digger2 New Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 24	ILLEGITIMATE BIRTH, FATHER NEEDS FINDING I am wondering if anybody has been in a similar position and can kindly advise me on what to do next I have a marriage cert with the bride not sharing the same surname as her father. All I have is his name nothing else whatsoever. Is it possible to trace him and find out more about him? Hoping that someone can help/advise before I give up finally on this line. regards digger
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21-08-2008, 10:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
lizanne AA SUPPORTER Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sunny Lancashire Posts: 245 Total Awards: 2	Re: ILLEGITIMATE BIRTH, FATHER NEEDS FINDING Hi Digger do you have the brides birth certificate ?
	Jane. researching:- Adam,Angus,Black,Broug,Brown,Burnett,Carle,Fraser, Garrow,Gellan,Gillan,Greig, Kynach,Martin,Simpson. Scotland. Baker,Bedwell,Boardman,Boyce,Brooks,Fisk,Fiske, Gibbons,Gooch,Green,Hamer,Hawes,Hollowell,Kirkman, Morris,Newstead,Partington,Prime,Ramsbottom,Samkin ,Strowger England. Brannan,Brennan,Wogan Ireland.

21-08-2008, 10:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
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21-08-2008, 11:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
Starlight Ancestry Aid Manager Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: South Essex Posts: 15,770 Total Awards: 8	Re: ILLEGITIMATE BIRTH, FATHER NEEDS FINDING Hi Digger, It is also possible that this is her first Marriage and that he is her real father. If she was born before her parents wedding her surname may have been registered in her mother's maiden name.
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21-08-2008, 12:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
digger2 New Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 24	Re: ILLEGITIMATE BIRTH, FATHER NEEDS FINDING Ann Bays was bc 1825, Worcestershire. I have her on census with her stepfather and mother, 1841. 1851 she was married, anmd living with the same family. From her marriage cert, that's where I got her father's name from, which is different to the census. I also have a half sibling's birth cert which states her mother's name was formerly Bayes. That led me to believe that Ann was illegitimate as there was also a gap between her birth and the next half sibling.
digger2 New Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 24

21-08-2008, 05:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
welshlady Advanced Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wrexham Posts: 463 Total Awards: 3	Re: ILLEGITIMATE BIRTH, FATHER NEEDS FINDING i think she probably was ilegitimate and her real father named on the marriage certificate. did the certificate not give his occupation ? and whether he was deceased. you could then start looking for people of that name and occupation in the area. whether you have any luck might depend upon how common the fathers name was. you poss might find some possibles but whether you could prove it is another thing. parish records sometimes give more info - vicars sometimes added notes in margins about parentage etc.
	Names I am researching Walker (liverpool) davidson, mccullough,mcdowell grills, wilson and thornton (ireland) wookey (somerset) houstoun (worcester and scotland), jeffcoate and iliffe (midlands) byron, bailey and edwards (cheshire and staffs)

21-08-2008, 05:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
digger2 New Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 24	Re: ILLEGITIMATE BIRTH, FATHER NEEDS FINDING Thanks very much everyone for your help. It is very much appreciated as I feel I have got a bit further now. I do believe she was illeg. I just wish her natural father had left more clues!
digger2 New Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 24

21-08-2008, 06:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
lizanne AA SUPPORTER Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sunny Lancashire Posts: 245 Total Awards: 2	Re: ILLEGITIMATE BIRTH, FATHER NEEDS FINDING Hi Digger, If you have the fathers name you could possibly try the Worcester branch of the BMSGH. http://www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk/index.html
	Jane. researching:- Adam,Angus,Black,Broug,Brown,Burnett,Carle,Fraser, Garrow,Gellan,Gillan,Greig, Kynach,Martin,Simpson. Scotland. Baker,Bedwell,Boardman,Boyce,Brooks,Fisk,Fiske, Gibbons,Gooch,Green,Hamer,Hawes,Hollowell,Kirkman, Morris,Newstead,Partington,Prime,Ramsbottom,Samkin ,Strowger England. Brannan,Brennan,Wogan Ireland.

22-08-2008, 10:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
digger2 New Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 24	Re: ILLEGITIMATE BIRTH, FATHER NEEDS FINDING Fantastic, Lizanne, thanks very much for this website, I will definately make enquiries, nothing to lose from doing so! digger
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28-08-2008, 05:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
gillian Ancestry Aid Staff Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Leicester Posts: 2,585 Total Awards: 4	Re: ILLEGITIMATE BIRTH, FATHER NEEDS FINDING Hi digger - I'm really confused by this - maybe I'm misreading the query. Could you post the full details ie name of father on marriage certificate, who she is living with on 1841 & 1851 (and where 1851 says she was born?) Christening 4 Mar 1825 Kidderminster Worcs Ann Bayes parents James & ELizabeth Gillian