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I am really hoping that someone may be able to help me confirm that my Grand Parents [ George EDWARDS and Annie Maria HOPLA ] were indeed married at Pembroke Tabernacle United Reformed on January 21, 1890. I did have this information, but due to a computer crash last year, the information appears to be missing. Can anyone help please ?
genolad46
There was certainly a marriage of a George Edwards to Annie Hopla jan qrt. 1890 but it says Neath Glamorgan, 11a,832. In 1911 they were living at 8 Kings Bridge Pembrokeshire with Elsie , Albert and William. Are these the right ones?
I'll have a look of fam search to see if there is more info there.
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Thank you Lola5,
So there was a marriage between 'a' George Edwards and 'a' Annie Hopla, in the January qrt. of 1890. But I though my family was the Pembroke area, so I am a little concerned that it says that it took place at Neath Glamorgan, 11a, 832. As I said in my original request, I have lost part of the data concerning this marriage. Well :-( now it appears that I have lost all the Census details for my Grand Parents [ George Edwards and Annie Maria Hopla ]. So I cannot confirm if this is their marriage or not :-(
What I can confirm is the details you have supplied for the 1911 census appear to be right, as they probably were living at 8 Kings Bridge Pembroke, with their daughter Elsie Margaret (1900), son Albert Edward (January 1, 1901) and son William George (1908). So Yes, I would say these are the right ones?
Originally Posted by Lola5
Shall I put the census details back on for you? I remember that Annie maria's father was Isaac. Is that right. Can you tell me where you got the tabernacle church Pembroke info from as I cannot find it on IGi or A*******.
Also Annie was baptised at St Mary's Pembrokeshire.
Here they are
1881 Rg11, piece 5410, folio52, page 11
Pembroke St Michael street address Grove
Isaac Hopla 46 gen lab born Pembroke
Eliza Hopla, 46 wife
Mary Jane 20
George 16 shopkeeper app.
Alfred 12
Henry 10
ANNIE M 9
Emily 2
Thomas 1month
Martha Hopla 82 mother
All are born Pembroke
1891 Pembroke St Mary
RG12/4529/20/34
2 Browns? Cottages,
George Edwards 25 lab at yard born Tenby Pembrokeshire.
Annie Edwards 19 born Pembroke
Thomas J Edwards 3months born Pembroke
1901
Pembroke St Michael
RG13/ 5121/ 10/24
Kings Bridge Cottages
George Edwards 36 Born Penelly Pembrokeshire lab dockyard
Annie M Edwards 29 Pembroke
Sarah J Edwards 9
Lilian M 6
Elsie M 1
Albert E 3months
all born pembroke.
The 1911
address 8 Kings Bridge Rd Pembroke RG14/33139/151
George Edwards 46 lab Penally Pembrokeshire
Annie Edwards wife 39 born Grove pembroke
Elsie Edwards 11
Albert Ed 10 and William George 3
all children born 8 Kings Bridge
The couple had been married 21 years and had 17 children. 5 living 12 have died.
(12 little graves to find)
Birth Annie maria Hopla oct qtr. 1871 Pembroke Pembrokeshire 11a, 7262
Be aware that there were two Annie Maria Hoplas born 1871/2
Death Annie Edwards born 1871 , Octqr 1933 aged 62 Pembroke pembrokeshire 11a, 1332
Death of George Edwards born 1864 death aged 76 jan/ Feb/Mar 1940 Pembroek pembrokeshire 11a, 2936
Last edited by Lola5; 04-02-2012 at 01:23 PM.
George Edwards and Annie Maria Hopla
Lola5,
I can only thank you very much for the excellent work you carried out on my behalf, to recover most of the information I lost last year :-)
I must also say thank you for showing my ignorance on a few points.....
(1) I thought George and Annie had married in Pembroke at Pembroke Tabernacle
United Reformed ( this was where most of the Hopla family went, I believe )
(2) I never realised my grand parents had, had 17 children, sad that 12 died.
(3) I have heeded your warning "Be aware that there were two Annie Maria Hopla's
born 1871/2" although I do not know where the second Annie Maria Hopla's
is from, and wonder if it could be a transpose error !
Once again, thank you very much :-)
You're welcome. Anything else you need just ask.
I will see if I can find deaths for those babies. I will also put the other Annie Hopla and parents on here so you can decide which is yours.
Also ...I hate to say this.... but the marriage cert, which certainly seems like your George and Annie's, may well be worth getting because that will prove whether Isaac is Annie's father and it will give you definite place of marriage
The other Anne Hopla(Annie) was born in Pembroke.1869 her parents were Thomas Hopla and Mary(all family on 1881 census). This Annie married a Benjamin Rudd in Glamorgan in 1893, and was a widow, aged 31, living with her sister Mary and family in 1901.
This Annie Hopla's father, Thomas, was the son of William Hopla and Mary. Baptised St mary pembroke 19th Apl. 1845, parents Willm and mary. Thomas is on 1851 census aged 5.
Somehow the two Annie hoplas are realted.
There are only the two marriages of Annie Hoplas so t he other must be yours.
Whilst searching, found a tree on A*************with your Annie Maria Hopla on it. The birthplace /dates etc all match with what I had found so Isaac and Eliza are def parents of your Anna Maria.
The tree gives Isaac as marrying Elizabeth Nicholas(1835-1908) and Isaac's parents are George Hopla and Martha Childs. etc(but I will check this out).
This tree has 9 Edwards children on it so obviously they have not found the other babies.
I have been checking. Isaac Hopla is on 1841 in Llantandwell? He's aged 6 with father George, Mother mary and and older sister Mary 12. In 1851 he is 16 and a farm servant with Beynon family. Ho107/ 2476/638/19
In 1861 he is married to Eliza . Both are 26. Children joseph 3 and Mary Jane 5mths. RG9/4154/25/34
1871 Pembroke St. michael. RG10/5514/50/27
Isaac Hopla 36,
Eliza 36
Joseph 13
Mary Jane 10
Edward6
Alfred 2
Henry9mths
Martha Hopla 72 Mother wid.
Mary Child/s 62 Aunt un, All born pembroke
Last edited by Lola5; 05-02-2012 at 12:18 PM.
Census Information Crown Copyright in Care of The National Archive
Isaac Hopla was christened 4 jan 1835 St Michael's Pembroke. Parents george Hopla and martha C08180-1
Here is 1851 census for Isaac Hopla(mistranscribed as Hobba)
HO107/2476/638/19
Stackpole Elidor pembrokeshire
John Beynon 78, farmer of 170 acres
Barbara Beynon 63 wife born stackpole
Elizabeth "25
William " 22
George " 20
Mary " 14 grandaughter,
Mary Harris 23 house servant
Mary james 17 house servant
George Stephens 20 ag servant
Jacob Jordan 17 ag. servant
ISAAC HOBBA 16 ag, servant born pembroke st Michaels
George Davies 12 born Monkton Pembrokeshire.
Census Information Crown Copyright in Care of The National Archive
You asked for Neath 1891.
No Annie Hopla in Neath in 1891 but there was an Annie Hopla, a servant, aged 20, living in home of Walter Williams in Glamorgan Canton.
This Annie gives birthplace as Scotland? Now we know she cannot be your Annie as yours was already married to George and had a baby and they were living in Pembroke. In 1881 yours was at home with parents.
Why she should have married in Neath is beyond understanding as it is nearly two hours journeying from Pembroke today so what it would be then is anyone's guess. And why would they marry there and not at home? BUT the only way to know for sure is to get the cert.
I totally agree and will action the matter.
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