Thread: North Yorkshire parish records

frank.laddie · 27-08-2008, 03:36 PM

I am finding quite a few TERRY relations have been connected to ASKRIGG. I have info back to 1644 William Terry. Am now stuck!! can you please find any info that would help me please?
I was also sent info from NANNA. re-Rotherham
RALPH TERRY married ANNE HAWKESBY 16/10/1660
JOHN TERRY married KATHERINE SHAW [E] 7/12/1665
However, I do not know if these are connected to me?
unable to link with my tree.
Hope you can find something.
Thank you Frank

maggie t · 27-08-2008, 08:06 PM

Hi Frank
The PR I have cover the following years:
Askgigg
Baptisms - 1675-1865
Marriages - 1655- 1961 (some years missing)
Burials - 1674-1876

Aysgarth
Baptisms - 1637 -1900
Marriages - 1637-1909
Burials - 1637-1961 (some years missing)

If you can give me any names and dates I will be more than happy to do a search for you.
Best wishes
Maggie

SuperDJ · 10-10-2008, 10:37 AM

Does these cover the neighbouring village of West Burton?

I am trying to trace the lineage of THOMAS SMITH (b 1776 in North Yorkshire) and ELIZABETH LAMBERT (b 1775 in North Yorkshire) who married in 1793 in West Burton.

Their son ROBERT was also born there in 1799.

I know plenty of LAMBERTs were still in West Burton in the 1841 census.

I would appreciate any help you can give!

maggie t · 11-10-2008, 02:22 PM

Sorry I cannot find a Thomas Smith nor an Elizabeth Lambert born around the dates you give. Strangely though I found a marriage between a Thomas Smith and Elizabeth Lambert on 29th September 1783 in the Aysgarth Parish Records. They were married by Banns and the curate was James Law. Witnesses: Jane Lambert, Richard J Cannon, and James Thwaite. Several children born in Newbiggin and Burton are there one of them being a Robert baptised 31 May 1794. Elizabeth died 1839 and was buried 17 November age 78. Where did you find the details of Robert's birth and their marriage?
I also found a birth of an Elizabeth Lambert baptised 5 April 1761 Newbiggin daughter of Thomas Lambert.
Let me know what you think please.
happy hunting
Maggie

SuperDJ · 11-10-2008, 05:24 PM

Thank you so much for your VERY prompt help.

You have the right people. I had the wrong dates.

I have just re-checked my sources. Robert's records show a considerable variance in birth dates. The 1841 census (Alne) shows an estimated birth date of 1796; the transcriber of the 1851 census misread the handwritten age by 20 years; and his marriage records show what I suspect to be an inflated age. The Parish Records at Tholthorpe, nr Alne, record a marriage between Robert Smith (21) and Ann Humphrey (19) on 7 Sept 1812, with their first child arriving only 5 months later. It looks as if both bride and groom inflated their ages. Other later census records suggest that they were only 17.

LDS International Genealogical Index (unsourced) records the 1812 marriage and suggest that Robert's parents were Thomas Smith and Elizabeth Smith nee Lambert.

And I can't lay my hands on the source for the date of Thomas Smith and Elizabeth Lambert's marriage but I think it was also a LDS record. It looks as if it might have been a misreading of the date as 1793 instead of 1783.

It looks as if Thomas and Elizabeth were older than I expected. I guess you didn't find a Thomas Smith born circa 1761?

Thanks very much for your help
Deb

maggie t · 11-10-2008, 06:20 PM

Hi Deb
Glad to be of help. As yet I have not found Thomas' birth details but I will have another look.These are the children of Thomas and Elizabeth which came up on the Aysgarth Pr:

John bap 19 April 1786 Burton burial 11 Feb 1822 Darlington
Ann bap 21 Nov 1790 Burton
Thomas bap 17 Feb 1793 Newbiggin
Robert bap 3 May 1794 Newbiggin
Christopher bap 24 April 1796 died 1800 Burton
Francis bap 14 October 1798 burial 15 December 1819 Burton
Christopher bap 12 April 1801 burial 15 December 1837 Burton
William bap 19 June 1803 Burton
Elizabeth bap 2 June 1805 Burton

Will let you know if I come across anything else.
good luck
Maggie

SuperDJ · 11-10-2008, 07:44 PM

Thank you- you are a star!
Deb

SuperDJ · 12-10-2008, 02:38 PM

A few more snippets of information:
Thomas Smith b1761 was still alive in June 1841- recorded as living alone on a farm in West Burton. I can't find his death- although another Thomas Smith's death is recorded in Askrigg in the Jan-Mar England & Wales Free BMD indices. He was age 80 in 1841, and I cannot trace him in the 1851 census. Presumeably he died between those dates?

Ref his marriage 29 Sept 1783- I assume the records do not record Thomas' father, his profession or the residences of Thomas Smith and Elizabeth Lambert?

I am wondering if there is any connection to the Smiths of Camshouse Farm, Askrigg. Alexander Smith of Bowbridge Hall and Camshouse, and a Thomas Lambert got into a dispute over a third share of the Coleby Manor whihc they had bought from the Colebys in the 1680s.

maggie t · 12-10-2008, 08:27 PM

Sorry still have not found the birth of Thomas Smith. Nor can I find his burial on Aysgarth/Askrigg PR. I did find him on the 1841 census and did you notice that there are also Lamberts living in the same area?
Have you tried the Dales FHS group website, you have to register but it is free and there are some very clever people on there who might be able to answer your question about the claim between the Smiths and Lamberts. Worth a try?

Let me know if I can help in any other way.
best wishes
Maggie

SuperDJ · 13-10-2008, 08:32 PM

Thanks very much for your help! My father-in law is thrilled we have got so far back. Who would have thought the Smiths were trackable to 1761?

I will try the Dales FHS.

Deb

27-08-2008, 03:36 PM	#21 (permalink)
frank.laddie AA SUPPORTER Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: OLDHAM. LANCS Posts: 32 Total Awards: 1	Re: North Yorkshire parish records I am finding quite a few TERRY relations have been connected to ASKRIGG. I have info back to 1644 William Terry. Am now stuck!! can you please find any info that would help me please? I was also sent info from NANNA. re-Rotherham RALPH TERRY married ANNE HAWKESBY 16/10/1660 JOHN TERRY married KATHERINE SHAW [E] 7/12/1665 However, I do not know if these are connected to me? unable to link with my tree. Hope you can find something. Thank you Frank

27-08-2008, 08:06 PM	#22 (permalink)
maggie t Advanced Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lancashire Posts: 183 Total Awards: 2	Re: North Yorkshire parish records Hi Frank The PR I have cover the following years: Askgigg Baptisms - 1675-1865 Marriages - 1655- 1961 (some years missing) Burials - 1674-1876 Aysgarth Baptisms - 1637 -1900 Marriages - 1637-1909 Burials - 1637-1961 (some years missing) If you can give me any names and dates I will be more than happy to do a search for you. Best wishes Maggie
	Maggie t Friendship is love without its wings

10-10-2008, 10:37 AM	#23 (permalink)
SuperDJ New Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10	Re: North Yorkshire parish records Does these cover the neighbouring village of West Burton? I am trying to trace the lineage of THOMAS SMITH (b 1776 in North Yorkshire) and ELIZABETH LAMBERT (b 1775 in North Yorkshire) who married in 1793 in West Burton. Their son ROBERT was also born there in 1799. I know plenty of LAMBERTs were still in West Burton in the 1841 census. I would appreciate any help you can give!
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11-10-2008, 02:22 PM	#24 (permalink)
maggie t Advanced Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lancashire Posts: 183 Total Awards: 2	Re: North Yorkshire parish records Sorry I cannot find a Thomas Smith nor an Elizabeth Lambert born around the dates you give. Strangely though I found a marriage between a Thomas Smith and Elizabeth Lambert on 29th September 1783 in the Aysgarth Parish Records. They were married by Banns and the curate was James Law. Witnesses: Jane Lambert, Richard J Cannon, and James Thwaite. Several children born in Newbiggin and Burton are there one of them being a Robert baptised 31 May 1794. Elizabeth died 1839 and was buried 17 November age 78. Where did you find the details of Robert's birth and their marriage? I also found a birth of an Elizabeth Lambert baptised 5 April 1761 Newbiggin daughter of Thomas Lambert. Let me know what you think please. happy hunting Maggie
	Maggie t Friendship is love without its wings

11-10-2008, 05:24 PM	#25 (permalink)
SuperDJ New Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10	Re: North Yorkshire parish records Thank you so much for your VERY prompt help. You have the right people. I had the wrong dates. I have just re-checked my sources. Robert's records show a considerable variance in birth dates. The 1841 census (Alne) shows an estimated birth date of 1796; the transcriber of the 1851 census misread the handwritten age by 20 years; and his marriage records show what I suspect to be an inflated age. The Parish Records at Tholthorpe, nr Alne, record a marriage between Robert Smith (21) and Ann Humphrey (19) on 7 Sept 1812, with their first child arriving only 5 months later. It looks as if both bride and groom inflated their ages. Other later census records suggest that they were only 17. LDS International Genealogical Index (unsourced) records the 1812 marriage and suggest that Robert's parents were Thomas Smith and Elizabeth Smith nee Lambert. And I can't lay my hands on the source for the date of Thomas Smith and Elizabeth Lambert's marriage but I think it was also a LDS record. It looks as if it might have been a misreading of the date as 1793 instead of 1783. It looks as if Thomas and Elizabeth were older than I expected. I guess you didn't find a Thomas Smith born circa 1761? Thanks very much for your help Deb
SuperDJ New Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10

11-10-2008, 06:20 PM	#26 (permalink)
maggie t Advanced Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lancashire Posts: 183 Total Awards: 2	Re: North Yorkshire parish records Hi Deb Glad to be of help. As yet I have not found Thomas' birth details but I will have another look.These are the children of Thomas and Elizabeth which came up on the Aysgarth Pr: John bap 19 April 1786 Burton burial 11 Feb 1822 Darlington Ann bap 21 Nov 1790 Burton Thomas bap 17 Feb 1793 Newbiggin Robert bap 3 May 1794 Newbiggin Christopher bap 24 April 1796 died 1800 Burton Francis bap 14 October 1798 burial 15 December 1819 Burton Christopher bap 12 April 1801 burial 15 December 1837 Burton William bap 19 June 1803 Burton Elizabeth bap 2 June 1805 Burton Will let you know if I come across anything else. good luck Maggie
	Maggie t Friendship is love without its wings

11-10-2008, 07:44 PM	#27 (permalink)
SuperDJ New Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10	Re: North Yorkshire parish records Thank you- you are a star! Deb
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12-10-2008, 02:38 PM	#28 (permalink)
SuperDJ New Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10	Re: North Yorkshire parish records A few more snippets of information: Thomas Smith b1761 was still alive in June 1841- recorded as living alone on a farm in West Burton. I can't find his death- although another Thomas Smith's death is recorded in Askrigg in the Jan-Mar England & Wales Free BMD indices. He was age 80 in 1841, and I cannot trace him in the 1851 census. Presumeably he died between those dates? Ref his marriage 29 Sept 1783- I assume the records do not record Thomas' father, his profession or the residences of Thomas Smith and Elizabeth Lambert? I am wondering if there is any connection to the Smiths of Camshouse Farm, Askrigg. Alexander Smith of Bowbridge Hall and Camshouse, and a Thomas Lambert got into a dispute over a third share of the Coleby Manor whihc they had bought from the Colebys in the 1680s.
SuperDJ New Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10

12-10-2008, 08:27 PM	#29 (permalink)
maggie t Advanced Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lancashire Posts: 183 Total Awards: 2	Re: North Yorkshire parish records Sorry still have not found the birth of Thomas Smith. Nor can I find his burial on Aysgarth/Askrigg PR. I did find him on the 1841 census and did you notice that there are also Lamberts living in the same area? Have you tried the Dales FHS group website, you have to register but it is free and there are some very clever people on there who might be able to answer your question about the claim between the Smiths and Lamberts. Worth a try? Let me know if I can help in any other way. best wishes Maggie
	Maggie t Friendship is love without its wings

13-10-2008, 08:32 PM	#30 (permalink)
SuperDJ New Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10	Re: North Yorkshire parish records Thanks very much for your help! My father-in law is thrilled we have got so far back. Who would have thought the Smiths were trackable to 1761? I will try the Dales FHS. Deb
SuperDJ New Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10