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Hi

I have had many successes on other websites in finding ancestors and/or descendants.

I am only too pleased to see if I can help YOU
Just give me any info you have and what you need and I'll take it from there

Jackie

Hi Bronson,

I think you have got a bit muddled. These are 2 different families. They are on the 1881 census as Pickle
1891 England Census about Roland Pickle


Name: Roland Pickle Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Sutton Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: St Helens County/Island: Lancashire Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: St Helens ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3025 Folio: 55 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Mee 61 Mary A Mee 43 Peter Wood 17 Henry Pickle 36 Alice Pickle 36 Roland Pickle 4 Phynious Pickle 2
It seems you are after the Brown family not this one, is that correct?

Regards Jackie

I posted a reply to this question. Where has it gone?

Jackie

Hi Bronson,

Am new to this site.

I did post an answer to your query, but it has disappeared??

Anyway, as I said before I think you have got a bit muddled as there are 2 families not one. The Pickles family appear in 1881 as Pickle (no S) which is why you could not see them. The Brown family are just coincidental with names.

Regards Jackie

it hasnt its on Jackies other thread .

Now merged into one thread to save any confusion.

Hi Bronson,

Let's try to unravel this complication!

Roland's mother Alice Ann Lancaster married Henry Hopwood Brown in 1877, you say they are on the 1881 census, do you have a census reference?

Then moving on, Alice Ann was living as the wife of Henry Pickles in 1891. You don't say whether they were married, perhaps they were unmarried and living as man and wife?

Roland born circa 1887/9 lived first as Pickles but later as Brown, his siblings also lived first as Pickles and later were Brown's. The logical explanation is: Alice Ann Brown and Henry Pickles never married, therefore the childrens surname was rightly Brown, their mother's surname.

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1891, Sutton
Henry Pickle 36, Padiham, Boiler Coverer
Alice Pickle 36, Padiham
Roland Pickle 4, Manchester
Phynious Pickle 2, Padiham

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1901 Blackburn
Henry Pickles 45, Burnley
Alice A Pickles 43, Padiham
Roland Pickles 14 Manchester, Steam Pipe
Phiniores Pickles 12
Emanuel Pickles 9
Alice Pickles 7
Henry Pickles 4

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This is the only likely birth registration for Roland.

Name: Roland Pickles
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1887
Registration district: Prestwich
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 443

You can purchase the certificate here at a cost of approx $15-16 Aus, https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/c...es/default.asp

If you skip the first page asking if you have the birth ref you will be able to specify a mothers name, and if the certificate you order by qrt, year and place doesn't match with mother's name you will not be charged. To clarify, order cert for Roland Pickles, Apr- Jun 1887, Prestwich, stating mother's name Alice, the GRO will check one year either side and if they don't find a match you will not be charged.

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Please can I ask how you know Alice Ann's maiden name was Lancaster, do you have the birth certificate for one of her children? I'm trying to establish how you have associated Alice Ann who married Henry Brown as being the same Alice Ann living or married to Henry Pickles. However as you appear to know the children changed their names from Pickles to Brown, I assume you have done intensive research and have documented evidence. One of the children is named Phineas, or various spellings of, when rare names occur it's useful as they are normally much easier to trace when a surname has changed. Have you researched Phineas?