Thread: Ancestry Lookups Offered (Census only please)

kimberlynn

thanks marion! john and sarah (leadbetter) were definitely living in warrington at time of marriage 1841, a place called gosley shull, because i have the marriage cert but no birth place on it, this is the bit where i am stuck because his father edward was born in scarisbrick ormskirk liverpool, and i can find nothing about him only his birth c1797, and not even a wife! only john as his son, born liverpool? born 1819. regards k.

The Lady Marion

Hello Again Kimberlynn,
I am not going to let this one stump me as I dont like it whyen I cant find something. I looked up Warrington and its in Cheshire so I wilol give it another go. This is what the Wikipedia states about Warrington. Cant see your Gosley Shull there. Hmmm

Marion


[edit] Geography

The Borough of Warrington is bordered by Halton, Vale Royal, and Macclesfield boroughs in the Ceremonial County of Cheshire and by the metropolitan boroughs of Trafford, Salford, Wigan and St. Helens.
Neighbouring Districts and BoroughsNorth-West:
St. HelensNorth:
WiganNorth-East:
SalfordWest:
HaltonBorough of WarringtonEast:
SalfordSouth-West:
HaltonSouth:
Vale RoyalSouth-East:
Trafford, Macclesfield

[edit] Subdivisions, suburbs, and civil parishes of Warrington

The Borough of Warrington is subdivided into 18 civil parishes and various suburbs of the central town of Warrington, which is an unparished area:

[edit] Civil parishes

Appleton, Birchwood, Burtonwood and Westbrook, Croft, Cuerdley, Culcheth and Glazebury, Grappenhall and Thelwall, Great Sankey, Hatton, Lymm, Penketh, Poulton-with-Fearnhead, Rixton-with-Glazebrook, Stockton Heath, Stretton, Walton, Winwick, Woolston

[edit] Other areas

Appleton Thorn, Bewsey, Blackbrook, Bruche, Cinnamon Brow, Cobbs, Dallam, Fairfield, Gemini, Gorse Covert, Grange, Hermitage Green, Hollins Green, Howley, Hulme, Kenyon, Lane End, Latchford, Little Town, Locking Stumps, Martinscroft, Omega, Longford, Orford, Paddington, Padgate, Risley, Sankey Bridges, Statham, Thelwall, Westbrook, Westy, Wilderspool, Woolston, Wright's Green

The Lady Marion

Kimberlynn I can find nothing on a place name called Gosley Shull. I,m still looking in Wikipedia. There is one place in Derbyshire called Gosley but thats no good. Why cant I find it?

Marion

The Lady Marion

Kimberlynn you state Elizabeth was Johns first wife so he must have been very young when he married the first time possibly in his teens? In 1851 Sarah is 28 so in 1841 she was 18. I am just trying to gather all my info. What proof do you have that Elizabeth was the Mother of the oldest son born and when did Elizabeth die?

Marion

The Lady Marion

Kinberlynn I,m going about this in a long way for your 1841 Census but is this Elizabeths Death?


Deaths Sep 1838 (>99%) Sephton Elizabeth Ormskirk 21*

The Lady Marion

Kimberlynn Gosley Shull could be the name of the Road. Have you checked any of the old Genuki Maps out?

Marion

The Lady Marion

Kimberlynn if Edward was born about 1797 could this be his marriage?


Edward Sephton
Male FamilyEvent(s):Birth: About 1801 Of, Ormskirk, Lancashire, EnglandChristening: Death: Burial: Marriages: Spouse: Ann Booth Family Marriage: 29 JUN 1826 Ormskirk, Lancashire, EnglandSource Information:Film Number: 537991 Page Number: Reference number:

welshlady

Hi Kimberely
there is a sephton family tree on ancestry (which i assume is not yours). they have edward born ormskirk with son john marrying Elizabeth Brown (son John Edward), then Sarah Leadbetter 04 Oct 1841 (children Ann, Edward, Elizabeth and Thomas) and then Mary Ann Wright, a widow formerly Bonham 28 Jan 1854(children Emma, Elizabeth, Frederick,Ester, Thomas, Emily and Alfred). Does this fit with your information.

I asked for the 1951 census details becasue you mentioned sarah born northampton which didnt fit but i see she was born warrington. mary ann bonham/Wright was born northampton. Some of the chidlrens names are repeated so i assume the original ones may have died in infancy.

they have a lot of information

kimberlynn

hi again! well--you have been busy, yes the family on ancestry is our lot! the edward you found cant be same as he was wed after john was born in 1819, i don't think that happened in those days, i found elizabeths death --elizabeth brown died 1840 warrington,cheshire, lancs, vol 20 page 635. their child (john edward) was only 2yrs old. my friend said gosley shul could be godly st, as the s,s look like d,s if you see what i mean? i don't know? yes, the two children died of the same name. i also noticed only today that on johns son edwards birth cert which i have, sephton was spelt in the old way of sefton, don't know if that could help or not! thanks for all your work much appreciated, k.

welshlady

dont be too quick to rule out the marriage

yes it did happen a lot in those days - they just were often better at covering up- dont forget there wasnt the written records so much and no internet and if they said they were married people often just accepted it especialy if they moved around a bit.