Silverfox2306

Thomas Carr


Two brothers went off to fight for their country during the Great War 1914 to 1918. They were Thomas and William Carr born in Newham Northumberland in 1890 and 1895 respectively, to John and Helen Carr.

I know that William was in the Northumberland Fusiliers and enlisted for service at Wooler Northumberland. He was Private Carr Number 1610 and served his country in France at the 2nd battle for Ypres and at the start of the Somme offensive. William was decorated 3 times and was killed on the 16th of June 1916. His name appears amongst the many that lost their lives in this awful war on the Menin gate at Ypres and on a plaque in Chillingham church near his hometown. Have a look.
http://www.newmp.org.uk/detail.php?contentId=6805

Unfortunately I do not know what happened to Thomas. All I do know is that Thomas’s name is on the same plaque, but instead of the letters N.F. (Northumberland Fusiliers) the letters Y.N.H. appear after his name.

I found most of William’s details on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission Website, only as I new what regiment he was in.

I do not know what Y.N.H. stands for. I would dearly like to know what became of Thomas. Does anyone know?

Kate

One possible I found is Yeomanry Northumberland Hussars. This came out of the Northumberland Fusiliers. Just a thought.

There are many T, Tom, Thomas Carr's on the Commonwealth War Graves Site. If you just do a search for Carr - Initial T it brings up all the T Carr's listed. Some can be discounted as parents names are on the records if you click on the name itself. There are a few there without parents names that are in the right age group for your Thomas or age is unknown.

Hope this helps.

Raven

Well done Kate....

John,,, have found this...

Yeomanry Northumberland Hussars

Silverfox2306

Hi Kate and Raven, yes that looks like a pretty good guess to me!

Does anyone have a subscription for "Findmypast" ? (The Fox spits on floor)

There's a few Thomas Carr's shown under military
Could someone have a look and see if my Thomas is there please as being Scottish I am too tight to pay their subscription fee. I see William is definately there, it would be interesting to see if they have any more facts than I already have about him.

God I wish I was outside right now it's lovely and I'm stuck in this blooming office

Military search results (Findmypast)

Last name:CarrFirst name/Initial:ThomasYear range:1914 - 1918Your search returned the following resultsredefine searchSoldiers Died in the Great War 1914-191831 records view resultsNational Roll of the Great War 1914-19184 records view resultsArmy Roll of Honour 1939-19450 records Royal Naval Division 1914-191911 records view resultsArmed forces births 1761-19948 pages view resultsArmed forces marriages 1818-19944 pages view resultsArmed forces deaths 1796-19948 pages view resultsOther army lists/roll calls 1656-18880 records

PS 1901 Cencus online has details re 31 Thomas Carr's, but again they want you to buy credits. So with all these different sites, you could spend a fortune and still not find your Thomas!

http://www.1901censusonline.com/military.asp?wci=results&searchtype=30&isscriptabl e=true

Raven

Hi John,

This is what it says about William on Find my Past..

Name: CARR, William
Regiment, Corps etc.: Northumberland Fusiliers
Battalion etc.: 1/7th Battalion (Territorials).
Last name: Carr
First name(s): William
Initials: W
Birthplace: Belford, Northumberland
Enlisted: Wooler, Northumberland
Residence:
Rank: PRIVATE
Number: 1610
Date died: 16 June 1915
How died: Killed in action
Theatre of war: France & Flanders

Silverfox2306

Hi Anne,

Did none of the Thomas Carrs on Findmypast look likely candidates?

He's looking pretty elusive is our Thomas!

John

Raven

Sorry John... couldn't pin point him.....

he is very elusive..lol

we'll find him at some point.... I believe that our ancesters will let themselves be found only at certain times...lol

gillian

This is them in 1901 Northumberland Newham -
John Carr 37 shepherd on farm
Helen 34
Joseph 16 railway porter
Janet J 12
Thomas 10
Susan S 8
William 5
John E 3
Mary H 5 months
parents born Northumberland Rothbury, children all Newham
Next door may be connected -
William Carr 63 farmer b Northumberland Ryehill
Janet 66 b Scotland
Mary A 29 b Northumberland Bolton
Thomas 21 b Northumberland Bolton
Gillian

Silverfox2306

Hi Gillian,

Yes you are quite correct about the neighbours,

William Carr 63 farmer b Northumberland Ryehill is John Carr's Father and William and Thomas's Grandfather.

Info courtesy of .............Raven

Thanks and best wishes,

John.

Silverfox2306

I have had a response from the North East War Memorial Project who say the following;


YNH. Stands for Yeomanry - Northumberland Hussars. They were part-time soldiers drawn from Northumberland and Durham with their HQ at Fenham Barracks in Newcastle, a depot in Debdon Gardens, Heaton, Newcastle, and a Drill Hall in Northumberland Road in the centre of Newcastle. The latter became a computer learning centre for Northumbria University. There had been a war memorial plaque in the Drill Hall, but it is not there now. Perhaps it has been transferred to St George's Drill Hall in Sandyford Road, but they still have that on their list of places to visit.


They suggest I try and get a copy of "The history of the Northumberland (Hussars) Yeomanry, 1819-1919, Constable, 1924, which will tell me about the activies of the regiment during the First World War. Unfortunately they cannot tell me if it contains a Roll of Honour.

I will try and get a copy of the book through my local library.


Also as the regiment no longer exists they suspect that its archive of war diaries, etc are deposited with the Public Record Office at Kew in Surrey.

The search continues................????