Shea Kilkenny
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Looking for Shea (Richard born circa 1805), wife Mary born 1805), children Margaret (born 1834), Patick (born 1836), Mary (born 1838).
I'm a descendent of Richard, but would like to know if Mary or Margaret went to USA/Canada or possibly Australia/New Zealand.
Hallo Mayger,
Welcome to Ancestry Aid.
Join the happy band of us still looking for our Irish forebears.
Hopefully Elwyn will come soon and point you in the right direction.
Have you looked yet on the LDS(family search).
You've got further back than I have I'm still stuck in Offaly in 1830's and mine too went to Us and Australia.
I'll have a look and see if I can find anything.
Found a whole Shea family arriving in USA in Ship Ashburton all from Ireland(doesn't say where) and embarked at liverpool. Arrived Us 3 July 1850.
There is a Margaret aged 16 with them. Father John aged 50 and mother Catherine 45, Ellen 14 , Bridget 12, Nora 9 and Michael aged 8, Patrick 23, Thomas 16 John 15, Patrick 15.
Can't be all the same family? Must have taken nephews and nieces with them.
Probably not yours.... no Richard or Mary among them.
Lots of other Margaret Sheas but cannot yet find another born 1834 on these lists.
There are lists of Irish famine migrants. Google it and see if you can find anything.
Another site aad.archives.gov has lsits of Famine immigrants to US. 31 Margaret Sheas . two born 1834 both age 16. One is the same one as before but ship is Asburton(not Ashburton) and date differs.
BUt have you any idea when they left Ireland?
Last edited by Lola5; 01-12-2011 at 02:27 PM.
Hello and welcome to AA. Good luck with your research have you tried this website Free Irish genealogy advice. Tools and resources for Irish genealogy researchers it may be able to help. Unfortunately Irish records are not that easy to find. You could always try Griffiths valuation for Richard.
pejay
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Census information Crown copyright from The National Archives
Searching for Twizell, Brown & Storey from Northumberland. Kelly & Kinsella from Ireland, Parkinson from Lincolnshire. Mellor from Derbyshire and Jackson from Warwickshire.
Local offices sometimes hold records
You could try writing to the present Mayor of Kilkenny and ask him whether old records are still held at the Mayoral Offices.
Councillor M. Brett(Fine Gael)
Derdimus, Callan Rd, Kilkenny , County Kilkenny Ireland.
Or google for the e mail address.
If you google Shea genealogy Kilkenny Ireland you will come up with various sites and one of them has list of Shea baptisms. I cannot see yours on it. The only Richard was born in latter half of 1800's/
Family names were Laurence and Geoffrey, John, Patrick, Bridget, Margaret , Mary and Catherine.
How do you know they came from Kilkenny? And do you know what parish or Townland?
As has been suggested have a look at Griffifths Valuations. Try www.failteromhat.com for Griffifths.
There are three Richard Shea in , Loughhooly, Haggartsgreen and Westcourt North all in Callan Kilkenny and others scattered in other townlands.
Also look in castlecomer.
Look on 1901 Ireland census(free) Richard Shea 50 a farmer, wife Bridget 45, and several farm servants in WHitechurch Kilkenny. Where are the children.
Gone to the Us and Australia probably.
What were the other family names apart from Richard, Margaret and Mary?
You really need a detailed look at Griffifths Valuation .
That site pejay has mentioned is very informative indeed.
Last edited by Lola5; 01-12-2011 at 06:34 PM.
I assume the family were RC. Statutory recording of births and RC marriages only started in Ireland in 1864. So you won’t find birth certificates for the children nor a civil marriage certificate for the parents. You might find the childrens’ baptisms and a church marriage record, if the records have survived. But to do that you really need to know the couple’s parish or townland.
You can see all the parishes in Co. Kilkenny on the attached link (there must be about 27):
Roman Catholic records
The site tells you how far back each parishes records go, what gaps exist and where copies are held. Most are now also on-line on RootsIreland’s pay to view site, but they don’t all appear to be on line. For example the records for Pitt parish are not shown as on line yet. If you can’t find your family, it could be that they are from a parish whose records do not cover the dates you are searching, or which is not on line yet. There’s no easy way of overcoming that.
Richard Shea is unfortunately quite a common name in Co Kilkenny but you can use Griffiths Valuation to see which parishes had Richard Shea as lead householder and perhaps focus your search on those parishes first. (You’ll see that there was a big landowner named Richard O’Shea who sublet to many tenants. If you eliminate him from the records, the list you are left with is not as bad as it appears at first sight).
Something you need to know is that RC parish names (and parish boundaries) are not always the same as the civil ones. Griffiths uses civil parishes, whereas the RC records are obviously by RC parish.
The key piece of information for each person is their townland (that’s their address). Road names and house numbering was not introduced to rural Ireland till the 1950s and 1960s. Prior to that your townland was all that was needed to find you or get a letter delivered. Everyone knew where in the townland each person lived. No further detail was required. So if you are researching someone it’s their townland that you need to find. Once you have that (and they are shown on Griffiths under “details”), you can then search on the Irish Times site to find the relevant RC parish.
Finding what happened to Mary and Margaret will obviously be tricky without any Irish censuses to search before 1901. If you can find which parish the family came from you could search for marriages for the two of them. Migrant records are incomplete and of course you have to assume they were single, which may not have been the case. It’s probably worth searching the English and Scottish censuses for them in case they settled there, as so many Irish did. But again that assumes they were still single. Not an easy task.
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