Thread: 1901 look up please ? Rose Smith

Trying to find a Rose Smith..............no nothing about her except that I think she was born in Knotting Bedfordshire and eventually married a John George Hale also Knotting. She originally lived with him as his housekeeper after his wife died and I think this would have been early 1900's maybe a bit later.

Thanks. Sorry its so vague. Have only got what my Mums told me on this one.

Hello Petal,

As you know nothing about John George Hale I found this for you for 1891.



Ann Hale57 Arthur Hale11 Jesse Hale13 John Hale Profession Farm Labourer61 John G Hale



Fathers name John Mothers name Ann.



Where born:Knotting, Bedfordshire, EnglandCivil parish:Knotting Ecclesiastical parish:Knotting St Margarets Town:Knotting County/Island:Bedfordshire Country:England

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This is the same family Petal for 1881.



John George Hale is aged 4 years.







Ann Hale42 Emma J. Hale Age 13 Lace Maker13 Fredrick A. Hale Jesse Hale3 John Hale Profession Ag Labourer51 John G. Hale





Where born:Knotting, Bedfordshire, EnglandCivil parish:Knotting County/Island:Bedfordshire Country:

England



Street address:

Church Street





For 1901 John George Hale is married to Elizabeth Not Rose. Johns profession is a House Keeper On A Farm.

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On the same Census Sheet for 1901 John Parents are there but not with John George and wife Elizabeth. There are also a number of Smiths on this Census but no Rose.



Francis Barnett Daughter6 Charles Hale4 months Eliza J Hale33 John G Hale24

There are also other Barnett,s on this Census so maybe John,s wife Elizabeth has a connecton to them? Elizabeth is a few years older so maybe daughter Francis Barnett age 6 years is from a previous marriage? I have also looked on the Census following and prior but no Rose.



Regards Marion

Hello Petal,

I have been thinking about your post and what your Mother told you about Rose being a House Keeper to John Hale. Might be the House Keeper part was for John Hale and not Rose? I found the Marriage for John George Hale on freebmd and wife Elizabeth was in fact Elizabeth Jane Barnett. Francis Barnett aged 6 years on the 1901 Census was Elizabeths daughter.



Marriages June 1899



Barnett Eliza Jane Bedford 3b 801



Hale John George Bedford 3b 801





Regards Marion

Thanks Marion. I should have said more clearly...........I knew a bit about the Hale family and I know John George married Eliza Jane Barnett(my grans mum). Gran was born out of wedlock and never lived with her Mum. Instead she lived with Eliza's parents James and Emma Barnett (grans grandparents).



Eliza and John George had a son Richard Hale and Eliza died in childbirth. Rose Smith came into the picture then I believe and was housekeeper for John George Hale and according to my Mum she married him. There's so many Hales and Smiths among my lot it gets confusing. I always thought Rose's surname was Brown for some reason but my Mum insists it was Smith.



Thanks for that info anyway Marian.

Oh I see. Your Hales did not move out of the area or maybe they did after 1901? Brown or Smith? I would say your John knew Rose before he married Eliza and Rose is somehow connected to all those Smiths on the Census. John was also a House Keeper so maybe they met through that line of work?

What year was Richard born?



Marion

As far as I can find out Eliza (John's wife) died in 1915 and died in childbirth I''ve been told. Richard Hale was the youngest son so he would have been born then. I've looked on Free BMD and found what seems to be him but he's called John R Hale (possibly John Richard but then used the name Richard).

I've got John George Hale down as Horse Keeper -thats how I read it on a census image.



Knotting, where they lived was a very small village and my Grandad Charles Smith lived there as did his family. I did wonder if Rose was related to him in any way but can't seem to find her. She'd only be found on the 1901 census due to her age I would think. I remember her and know she was younger than my Grandmother who was born 1890.

Rose may have been born in one of the nearby villages.



It's so confusing with so many Smiths and Hales. They didn't make it easy for us did thay.

Being as Knotting where they lived was a small village have you looked to see if that area is covered by an OPC (On Line Parish Clerk) Why dont you Google Search OPC for knotting Bedfordshire and see if anything comes of it. I know exactly what you mean about Smith as I have some in my F/T. I also have the surname Davies as well. Say no more. I do think your Rose is somehow connected to the Smiths on the Census and I still believe she knew John George. Gut feeling I suppose but its a small country village we are talking of and most of the villagers in one way or another were either related or knew each other.



Marion

I think you're right. Rose was probably known to the family for some time before she took on the role of Housekeeper.



Just checked my notes again.....silly me.............Richard was born in 1911 as John R Hale.Must be him as mothers maiden name is down as Barnett and the registratioh district is right. Can't find his Mother's death though and my Mum is very insistant that she died in childbirth.

I'll have a google and see what comes up.............I've googled Knotting before and come up with all sorts of ways to do 'knotting'..........lol

Its always good to re check ones notes. Try this link and take it from there. Mention what you are searching for and possibly this person can help or maybe give you some suggestions. Nice ones I mean. LOL

A friend of mine put me in the direction of these OPC,s. Devon and Cornwall have them coming out of their ears while other places seem not to have them or are in the process of having them and adding info to the sites for the areas. Let me know OK?

Bye Petalx



louisea@bedsrcc.org.uk

Thanks for that Marian............I'll hang on to that..sort out my stuff and see what I can find out. I know I've e mailed the bedford library before and the archives and they've been very helpful but not been able to tell me what I wanted to know.