Thread: tracing ancestor born Liverpool 1809

I have managed to trace my great great great grandfather William WHITBY to 1809 based on census 1881.How do I make further tracing,I have a copy of his marriage certificate which took place in 1840 at Liverpool which gives his fathers details as William WHITBY occupation waiter,any advise gratefully acknowledged

Hi, can you give more details? ie was William's father still alive when he got married, if so do you know which town or county he was living in? The more info. you can supply, the more chance you have of someone being able to help.

Hi, if I have got the right 1881 census record...........William (wood turner) married to Caroline............ and you don't have these census records you should find them interesting. I am sure they are all the same family who have been mistranscribed, the original census sheet for each of the 3 years does appear to say WHITBY. There are 2 possible christenings on IGI for William, let me know if the records below are your William and if so I can give you detailsfor the 2 possible births.



1851 Census Liverpool



John Ludlow/20/lodger/wood turner

Caroline Urtbey/33/wife

James Urtbey/son3

William Urtbey/32/head/wood turner

William Urtbey/8/son



1861 Liverpool



Caroline Whitley /43/wife

James Whitley/13/son

William Whitley/46/head/wood turner

William Whitley /17/son/wood turner



1841 Census Liverpool



John Barry/abt 1806/Ireland/

Mary Barry/abt 1805/Ireland

James Johnston/abt 1821/Lancashire

Caroline Whittam/abt 1816/Lancashire

William Whittam/abt 1821/ Lancashire/wood turner

Thanks for the info,I have been unable to trace William and Caroline WHITBY on 1841 51 61 71 census records they appear on 1881, with their grandaughter living in 2 house 2court bolton street liverpool, I know this as their son William Alexander born 1842 parents being William and Caroline, William Alexander died in 1877 I have copy death certificate and son William appears on 1881 Census at Blue Coat school/orphange Liverpool it looks like the family broke up with Mary going to live with paternal grandparents I dont know what happened to their mother and eldest daughter

Hi, Could this be your Catherine?



It isn't clear wether or not you think the other census records are your ancestors, do let me know as there's little point in me pursuing further if I am on the wrong track.



1901 Census Liverpool



George J Elliott/2/son

John Elliott /25/head

John J Elliott3/son

Sarah Elliott/27/wife

William A Elliott/5/son

Catherine A Whitby/53/mother in law

George Whitby/24/brother in law

Joseph Whitby/23/brother in law

Originally Posted by slizzy

Hi, Could this be your Catherine?



It isn't clear wether or not you think the other census records are your ancestors, do let me know as there's little point in me pursuing further if I am on the wrong track.



1901 Census Liverpool



George J Elliott/2/son

John Elliott /25/head

John J Elliott3/son

Sarah Elliott/27/wife

William A Elliott/5/son

Catherine A Whitby/53/mother in law

George Whitby/24/brother in law

Joseph Whitby/23/brother in law

happy easter slizzy, thank you for your messages,if william WHITBY was born in 1809 and his wife Caroline 1816 going by the Census of 1881 there would be age difference of 7yrs so in 1851 he would be 42 and she 35 in 1861 their respective ages would be 52 and 45 and in 1901 she would be 85.So I doubt it is them,Kind Regards Paul WHITBY

Hiya Paul, a happy Easter to you too.



I think we have been at crossed purposes so far as the 1901 census.



I am assuming the following family are yours in 1871!



Caroline Whitby 6

Catherine A Whitby 23

Mary Whitby 1

William Whitby 4

William A Whitby 28



If these are your ancestors..............then I thought the 1901 census record I found could be the above Catherine, as the ages tally ie. age 23 in 1871 and age 53 in 1901. If the 2 census records are the same Catherine, then it would seem Catherine and William had more children than you realised, at least 3 born between 1871 and William's death in 1877.



Good luck with sorting it out



Slizzy

Paul..........re-: census return for 1861 'Whitley'



The address was Court No 2, Bolton St. the same address you have for the family in 1881. If you are not able to access the census records I can send you the images, but will need your e-mail address, which you can PM to me.

Hi Paul,



I have sent you the images for 1861 as you requested, let me know what you think, personally I think it has to be them......same address, occupation, and same family first names, too many sames to be coincidental. If you would like the 1841 and 51 images to peruse.........you've only to shout.



What do think about the 1901 for William's widow? I can e-mail that to you too if you'd like.



Cheers.........Slizzy

OK Paul.........now we have cracked the census images for william born c.1811-16, let's see if we can get anywhere with his birth record.........you mentioned his father was also a William..........there are 2 possible births on IGI, details are





25 SEP 1814 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

William Whitby (christening) parents.. William and Ann Whitby





23 APR 1816 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

William Whitby (christening) parents ..William and Charlotte Whitby