Thread: HILDA WOLITZSKY NATHAN UPDATED INFO

Hi guys, I now have a response from my great aunt!! The info has baffled me somewhat so i am going to list what she has told me, in the hope someone will help me (again) but that also by writing it, it may make more sense to me.



Right......



Hilda Wolitsky Nathan, born 15th December 1908, West Ham Leyton. (this confirms I have the right birth cert)



Hildas mother on birth cert, Kate Jacobs, and father Samuel Nathan, who has died before 1930.



My Aunt says that Hildas mother was called KATE NABARO, who went to live with them in 1940s and died when she was about 79. On Hildas birth cert Kate was formerly JACOBS.



Hilda had a brother JACK NATHAN, he changed his name to Smyth. Jack married someone called ELLA, and they had one son PETER, they lived around walthamstow.



HILDA and JACK, were bought up by a foster mother called DORA, my aunt knows nothing else about DORA or the reasons why. ALthough she says Jack changed his name to Smyth, and on Hilda and Lewis Taylors marriage cert one of the witnesses is D Smyth, so was Dora who was Hilda and Jack foster mother called Dora Smyth????



Nothing is known of Hildas Dad SAMUEL NATHAN, or where the WOLITSKY comes from.



Hilda Nathan married LEWIS TAYLOR. Hilda remarried someone with the surname HOWLETT, she died 1994. My aunt says (quote) 50s-60s when I saw any of them (about her cousins) when Mum and Dad divorced" SO I know Hilda Nathan and Lewis Taylor divorced at some point after a long time married.



Hilda and Lewis lived with Lewis Dad and step mum at LARANKA ROAD, EDMONTON. for a while.



Lewis and Hildas children PEGGY (who has written to me, a asked if she was actually named peggy, but she doesnt say, I am assuming she is margaret?), born 1931, Leslie Lewis 1934, Derek 1936.



My aunt says (quote( "my mum did go into 'service' to work for a tailor in clapham common when she was about 15 years old" Hilda would have been 15 in 1923, so not the war....what does service mean I wonder, does she does mean work!



Kate, NABARO/JACOBS- lived in leytonstone.



So, I will of course start trawling......but again any tips or info you can help with I would be most grateful. I did ask her about the jewish polish bit, all she says is....



" I cannot believe Nanny Hilda was ashamed of being polish origin as she did not know anything about this until she remarried and sent for her birth cert. It does have indeed a polish name as you say and she thought it was the wrong one a sent it back"



Thank you guys



Kirstie

'In service' would mean domestic work, usually in a private household

Gillian

I think the spelling is likely to be Nabarro - how about this?

Kate Nabarro birth Whitechapel 1c 356 1/1871

Gillian

1891 Census - London Spitalfields (mistranscribed as Nabarra) 20 Sandy Row

Reuben Nabarra 43 general dealer b London Hounsditch

Sarah 44 b Holland (I think)

Rachel 21 feather curler b London Mile End

Kate 20 cap maker

Jeanette 18 tailoress

David 15 cigar makers assistant

Rebecca 12

Hannah 10

Leah 8

Julia 4

Soloman 3 b London Aldgate

The others all born London Spitalfields

Gillian

that looks great, I hadnt really looked to much at census stuff for her yet, have been writing down all the details in the letter and matching it to what I have, oh and having some parma ham and brie on crackers!!! Thank you, you're a legend!



Kirstie



NB- and the cap maker bit fits!!!

Yes - I was quite excited when I saw cap maker. Nabarro seems generally to be from the Netherlands.

Would like to look further but unfortunately have to go to work (late!)

Gillian

For reference (a Polish connection?) - 1881 Census London Spitalfields Old Artillery Ground 6 Gun St

Isaac Nabarra 49 tailor b Holland Amsterdam deaf & dumb

Leah 35 wife b Holland Amsterdam

David 42 brother no business b Holland Amsterdam

Solomon 4 son b Middlesex Spitalfields

Aaron 2 son b Middlesex Spitalfields

All recorded ditto under deaf & dumb

Same address different household

? Joseph 46 head b Poland Warsaw ? cap maker employing 4 men & 4 boys

Leah Joseph 40 wife b Poland

Esther ? 24 b Poland

(looks like they might all have been involved in the business)

Aaron 17 carpenters servant b Poland

Have a look at the entry though it's all a bit confused

Gillian

And in 1871 at 39 Gun St (mistranscribed as Nabaris)

Reuben 23 bootmaker born Holland

Sarah 24 b Holland

Rachel 18 months b Middlesex Whitechapel

Kate 2 months b Middlesex Spitalfields

Gillian

my goodness thank you gillian.



I shall tell you whats bothering me, and perhaps I am not thinking outside the box here but......



If on Hildas birth cert Kate was named as Kate Nathan formerly Jacobs, she could have either been born jacobs or married a jacobs before samuel.



She and Samuel both have the same surname on Hildas birth cert, although it doesnt mean Kate was actually a Nathan, she could have just given that name to be the same as samuel indicating they were married and that hilda was not illigitimate.



Samuel and Kate both having the surname nathan could mean that Kate was born Nathan married a Jacobs, but divorced and reverted to Nathan. Her and samuel could have been ??cousins with the same name and thats why Hilda and Jack went into foster care.



Cant work out where Nabarro comes in, Kate could have married a nabarro after samuel died???



Thats all the thoughts buzzing at the moment, am trying in vain to investigate.



Also, Kate Nabarro, the same one as we are referring to is on several trees on ancestry and genes, on other peoples tree Kate dies in April 1942, but on Ancestry the only Kate Nabarro dies in April 1942 in brixworth so cant be ours right?????



I am so confused!!!!

no kate nabarro marriages, have tried all spellings I can think of.....why is this so difficult, I dont want a miracle just one little thing to go on!!!