McIlduff - Armagh

**flossmac** · 11-01-2012 08:50 AM

Hi
Wondered if anyone would be able to help.

I'm looking for a death and then hopefully a birth of Bernard McIlduff, my gg grandfather. He married Margaret Askin in 1854 in Seagoe Parish, Armagh no age or parents listed. They had 5 children. Sometime after 1892 the whole McIlduff family moved from Portadown, Armagh to Glasgow but I'm not sure if Bernard was with them. He was alive in 1885 when one of his sons married in Portadown but was dead when one of his daughters died in 1899 in Glasgow (got that from the certificates) I've got a death certificate of a Bernard McIlduff who looked about the right age and died between the dates I'm looking at but not sure if he's the right one as he's listed as a bachelor and his sister is the informant.
Its quite an unusual name but I'm struggling to find out anything about him. Once the family moved to Glasgow I've been able to find out quite a lot about them.
Any ideas would be appreciated

Thanks
Fiona

**pejay** · 11-01-2012 02:17 PM

Hello Fiona unfortunately some Irish records seem to be quite difficult to locate. It helps to know townland and parish. How certain are you about your dates ? It may be worth you trying this website as a starter to Irish genealogy. www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/

**flossmac** · 11-01-2012 02:35 PM

Hi Pejay
Thanks for the link. I'm pretty certain of the dates but as you know they can never be 100% accurate. Narrowed down his date of death from other certificates that I have ie childrens marrriages and deaths. I wondered if he might have died once the family came over to Glasgow but cant find anyone that would match. I'm pretty certain the family came from Portadown or the surrounding villages. No census to check as they're all destroyed and the family had moved to Scotland by the time the 1901 Irish was taken. I've struggled over the years where to look next for him

**Lola5** · 11-01-2012 02:39 PM

Hallo Fiona,
here's another site for you From Ireland - Irish Ancestry, Genealogy & Family History. It has a bit about Seagoe.
Your folk should be on Griffifths Valuations perhaps.
Also try Genuki as there is a lot of info re parish records and how to get them/certs etc.

I put Bernard Mc Ilduff 1830 into a rootsireland serach and it came up with no births/baptisms but it did come up with one on Griffifths valuations at Tarson, Seagoe, co. Armagh.

If you look here www.igp-web.com/armaghtownlands/Tarsan.htm you can see something about the place and where to find the parish registers.
If you live anywhere near an Lds family history centre or a record office you could order the film / fiche? #926088 which has Seagoe parish registers. baptisms date from 1836 so no good if your bernard was born earlier ut it has marriages from 1836 to1881

**Elwyn** · 11-01-2012 06:08 PM

What townland (address) was given when the son married in Portadown in 1885? I’d be inclined to use that information to check the Griffiths Revaluation books in PRONI. (Which are not on-line). Assuming the family stayed there for any length of time, you should be able to find out when they arrived (back as far as Griffiths Valuation in the 1860s if needs be) and when they left. You can sometimes spot a death too as it often says “reps of…” against the tenants name. But even if it doesn’t say that it will show when they left. The revaluation records go up to around 1929.

**flossmac** · 12-01-2012 03:14 PM

Hi Lola5
Thank you for the two link you sent I havent seen those sites before so will have a good look through them

Hi Elwyn
I havent heard of the Griffiths Revaluation, would I need to go to the Proni office ? I've looked at Griffiths Valuation - only online- and as Lola5 said there seems to be only one Bernard McIlduff in Seagoe. The address given when Bernards son & daughter married in 1885 was Meadow Lane, Portadown. If I'm honest I'm not really sure how to go about researching Irish ancestry and so would be grateful for any advice you could give me

Fiona

**Elwyn** · 12-01-2012 05:04 PM

Fiona,

In many other countries you would be able to pick up this family using census information. That’s not available in Ireland pre 1901 and so you have to use other sources. Most people are familiar with Griffiths which was a survey of the country in the period 1847 – 1864, and that is on line. After the initial survey, the valuation clerks revisited each property about every 10 years to identify any changes. They recorded these changes, and the relevant years, in books (the revaluation books) which are now stored in PRONI. Like Griffiths they just record the head of the household. These revaluation books are not on-line and so you would need to go to PRONI yourself or get someone to look them up for you.

So you could go to the books for Meadow Lane, Portadown and look at them for the years 1865 – 1900 say, to see when Bernard McIlduff arrived, and when he left. Which in turn may point to his death (especially if it happens to say “reps of Bernard McIlduff” as the occupant, as it sometimes does).

You can also use the revaluation books to find out how long the Bernard McIlduff in Seagoe stayed there. And if the departure from one address and the arrival at the other coincide, then obviously it could be the same person (especially with such a rare name).

Meadow Lane, Portadown is in the electoral district for Portadown Urban. Tarsan, the townland where the Bernard in Seagoe parish lived, is in Kernan electoral district. (You need to know that when ordering up the books at PRONI).

Another option that occurs to me is to contact Portadown Library, local studies section, and ask them if they have any old street directories for the town. If so could they look up Meadow Lane and see if Bernard was listed and if so, for what years.

librariesni.org.uk - Portadown Library

Elwyn

**flossmac** · 13-01-2012 02:02 PM

Hi Elwyn

Many thanks for all the info I'm going to e-mail Portadown Library first to see if they can help,

Thanks again, much appreciated

Fiona

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