Lillian (Oxley) Palliaer or Palliser
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1861 Lillian Oxley born in St Pancras.
1882 Lillian Oxley marries Frederick William Palliaer in Kensington
1891 Ferederick & Lillian Palliser, with Janet aged 8, Frederick 6, Harry 5, and Blanch 3
1901, Frederick described as married, is living with two sons, Frederick aged 16 and Harry aged 14. All the female have gone.
In 1911 Frederick senior is recorded as a widower, no children living with him.
The question is, what happened to Lillian and the female children?
Thanks
Brian
Census information Crown Copyright, from The National Archives
Tthere is a Blanche C Palliar aged 14 born Kilburn and a little sister Mabel aged 9 in an orphanage in Willesden in 1901. RG13/1226/142/4
Baptism Notting Hill Christ church, JUne 1889 Constance Blanche Pallaier(very clear) daughter of Frederick William and Lillian Pallaier, a bricklayer of 30 Faraday Rd. and it says at the bottom 25 Nov 1887
Birth reg
Constance Blanch Palliaer, oct/Nov/Dec qr. 1887 Kensington London 1a,145
As for Janet Mary. (mistranscribed as Palliner) In 1901 she is a boarder with he Langstone family in St Pancras Kentish town.( It is possible that the Mrs georgina Langstone was a Palliaer before marriage?)
Janet is 18 and a laundress.
RG13/piece156/ folio112/ page 67
Here is her baptism
Janet Mary Pallier, bap 3rd Feb 1884 at Notting Hill Christ Church Kensington and Chelsea, parents Frederick William and Lilian Pallier of 30 Faraday Rd. and below, 7th Feb 1883(her birthdate)
Janet marries a Travers in July qr 1918 in Paddington London 1a, 238
Death Janet M Travers Watford Herts in nov 1967 age 84.
Constance Blanch Palliaer marries a Garvin? Galton St George Hanover Square in Apl qr of 1926, 1a,925
There is also a Lillie MABEL Palliaer who is born 1892 Kensington... but not sure if she is the Mabel of the 1901 in the willsdon District orphanage. She is born Lillie Mabel Pallier July qr. 1892 Kensington greater london Middx. 1a,124
And here is a death Lillie Mabel Palliaer, Apl/Maaaay/June 1983 Tower Hamlets London age 90.
Stll cannot find a death of Lilian Palliaer.
Last edited by Lola5; 04-01-2012 at 11:51 PM.
Census Information Crown Copyright in Care of The National Archive
In 1911 Janet is living at 104 Gr Western Road Westbourne Park W
SAUNDERS, Beatrice Widow 1853 Boarding House Keeper Burnham Bucks (head of house)
PALLIAER, Janet Mary Boarder F 28 1883 Packer And Sorter Laundry Nth Kensington W
'' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.
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Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives
Thank you Lola and Noggin for your help with the daughters. But I am pleased to see its not just me who cannot trace Lillian!! Need to start thinking about putting her to oneside for the moment, and in a few months time something will pop up and solve the mystery!
Census information Crown Copyright, from The National Archives
She surely died. I cannot see that she would put her girls into an orphanage were she still living. And as for the husband allowing that to happen while keeping his boys with him well that beggars belief. Maybe Lilian died in childbirth and the baby with her. All sorts of possibilities.
Her parents were already dead and both died in different workouses(or may have been ill and in workhouse hospitals) so perhaps Lilian and Fred were poor too.
If he says he was a widow in 1911 but not on 1901 maybe she had TB and was away in a hospital? she must have died between 1902 and 1911... wonder why we can't find her.?
Last edited by Lola5; 05-01-2012 at 09:55 PM.
I am also looking for - and cannot find - a death for Lillian Palliaer née Oxley.
I can confirm that Lillie Mabel Palliaer is the girl in the orphanage in 1901, and sister to Blanche/Constance, also that the Tower Hamlets death is the same Mabel. Other children of Frederick and Lillian are Henry John b. 1886, Frederick George chr. 2.12.1884, Janet Mary b. 7.2.1883 chr. 3.2.1884. There is another possibility - Female Pallair birth and death reg Mar Q 1890 Kensington - 1a 140 and 1a 146. All Frederick's other children were registered in Kensington.
In the 1901 Census in April, Frederick states that he is married, so Lillian must be still alive. I cannot find her at all on the 1901 but given the surname, a mistranscription of the index is highly likely, especially given that she is not at home.
In 1911, Constance is at 11 Percy Road, Kilburn, 23, Single, a visitor in the Bowler household. Occupation General Servant Domestic, b. Kensal Rise.
In 1911, Mabel is 18, single, b. Kensington, Occupation General Servant Domestic in the Saunders household at "Lyndhurst", Southgate.
As Brian2009 says, Frederick is alone and widowed in 1911, but he remarried much later:
Register Office Willesden 18.10.1930
Frederick William Palliaer 67 Widower Bricklayer of 103 Carlton Vale, Father George Palliaer (deceased), Bricklayer
Louisa Elizabeth Duggan 53 Spinster of 103 Carlton Vale, Father James Edward Duggan (deceased), Dock Labourer
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