Frederick Pottinger

**Jean V** · 04-12-2011 03:11 PM

Please can anyone help me to trace Frederick Pottinger.

In the 1881 census he is shown as 4 months old living with his parents Charles and Emily and his brother Charles and sister Emily.
I haven't got a copy of his birth certificate, but I assume he was born in December 1880. There is a Frederick Pottinger on Free BMD born Jan-Feb-Mar 1881 in Wandsworth. I believe this is him.

He is in the 1891 census with his sister Emily staying with their grandmother. (Frederick's father Charles died in 1882 and his mother re-married to Edward Seabrook).

After that I get lost. I have found a few Frederick Pottingers but none I can prove were him.

I thought I remembered meeting him in the early 1950s, living in Surrey with his sister Emily and her husband Robert Bescoby.
I have found death records for Emily and Robert but nothing for Frederick and no marriage either.

He may not have married, but he must have died. Why can't I find him?

Please can anyone help?

**noggin28** · 04-12-2011 04:13 PM

This is his bapism but does not show his birth.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Charles William Pottinger
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1882
Baptism Date: 4 Oct 1882
Father's Name: Charles Pottinger Occ Butcher
Mother's Name: Emily Pottinger
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Registers
Living at 14 York Street

Sorry looked up Charles in stead of Frederick.

**Jean V** · 04-12-2011 04:25 PM

Hello noggin28

Thanks for coming back to me, but that is the baptism of his brother Charles.

I have been unable to find a baptism for Frederick, or his sister Emily.

I have found a marriage and death for Emily, but after the 1891 census I cannot find anything for Frederick.

Jean V

**noggin28** · 04-12-2011 04:44 PM

For Info only for other researchers:

1881 England Census
Name: Frederick Pottinger
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Pottinger Mother's Name: Emily Pottinger
Gender: Male
Where born: Clapham, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Clapham County/Island: London Country: England
Street Address: 54 Bromells Rd
Registration district: Wandsworth Sub-registration district: Clapham
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Charles Pottinger 31 Clapham Surrey
Emily Pottinger 30 Rotherhithe Surrey
Charles Pottinger 3 Camberwell Surrey
Emily Pottinger 16 mons Camberwell Surrey
Frederick Pottinger 4 mons Clapham Surrey
Mary A. Mathews 15
RG11; Piece: 635; Folio: 6; Page: 5

**noggin28** · 04-12-2011 05:21 PM

1891 England Census
Name: Frederick Pottenger *
Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Grandson Gender: Male
Where born: Walworth
Civil parish: Newington St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: London City County/Island: London Country: England
Street Address:232, East Street, Newington
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Charlotte Fall 66
Charles Fall 42 Married
Emily Fall 40 Married** F 40 1851 Butcher Marylebone (Rotherhithe) in 1881#
William Fall 38 Married Rotherhithe
Elizabeth Fall 36 Married Rotherhithe
Emily Pottenger 12 g/daughter Peckham (Clapham) in 1881#
Frederick Pottenger 10 g/son Walworth (Clapham) in 1881#
RG12; Piece: 359; Folio 75; Page 37

* surname spelling change
** Emily is using her maiden name but is still listed as married
# birth places changed.

**noggin28** · 04-12-2011 05:31 PM

This looks like Frederick in 1901

1901 England Census
Name: Fred Pottinger
Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Servant Gender: Male
Where born: Clapham, London, England
Civil parish: Bloomsbury St George and St Giles in The Fields
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles in the Fields County/Island: London Country: England
Street Address: Hand and Crown 93 New Oxford Street
Occupation:Barman
Registration district: St Giles Sub-registration district: St Giles, North
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 11
Mary Crockford 27
Dick Crockford 1 6 Months
Mary T Short 25
Agnes F Hart 31
Edith M Rowell 26
Fred Pottinger 20 Clapham
George W Jefferson 18
RG13; Piece: 239; Folio: 84; Page: 2

**Jean V** · 04-12-2011 05:42 PM

This entry on the 1891 census has a transcription error. Emily's maiden name was Hall.

Emily is also shown on the 1891 census living with her husband Edward Seabrook, her eldest son Charles Pottinger, and her two daughters by Edward Seabrook, Louisa and Annie. The are living at 45 East Street, Newington, London.

Annie is only one month old so it seems unlikely that Emily would leave her overnight. Especially as Annie was not a healthy child and she died at about six months old.

I wonder if her widowed mother Charlotte was suffering from early dementia. I thought that maybe the grandchildren, Frederick and Emily were staying with her and Charlotte gave her own children's names to the enumerator as well, because she didn't really understand.

This is the last time I have a positive record for Frederick. And I'm desperately trying to find out what happened to him.

Jean V

**Jean V** · 04-12-2011 05:45 PM

I did find that 1901 census, it could be him but I don't know for certain. What I really want is to find a marriage or death.

Jean V

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