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    Of the 8 branches of my family tree (including great grandmothers' sides also), the Wilkinson branch is the most aggravating. There was a Wilkinson in your archive section, but that wasn't none of my ancestors. My great grandmother Emma J. Wilkinson, had parents named George (born July 1841) and Mary Wright (may be Barry). Her birthdate seems to change when looking at other family trees that she is in. I had her birth date as 1841, but I don't think it's correct. She was Irish, and supposedly entered the US in 1852. On the 1900 US Census, George claims that he along with his parents were born in New York. But further digging around, I find that his father John Wilkinson (Born 1813, Antrobus, Cheshire, England) was born in the UK. He married a Mary Anne (last name unknown in 1847). I have her birthdate at 1815, and dying 1878. I then find that George's grandfather, Joseph (1794), was also born in the UK (Stockport, Cheshire). His wife Sarah ?, was born in 1791. Now I am beginning to suspect George wasn't telling the truth on his census forms, and that he may have also been born in the UK. That would probably explain his having an Irish wife. Other people's family trees having him getting married on October 9, 1864 at St. Matthew's Church in Stretton, and in 1872 at St. Michael's Church in Toxteth Park. Some brick walls, I can't get by. This one I got by a little, but George seems to have a muddled past. No one seems to agree just where he was born, or where or when he was married.

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    Well it's best to do your own tree and disregard other trees you find because if you research as much as you can yourself you then know it to be true.
    I will leave your post for those more experienced and more methodical than I to help you but will just say that on 1841 census for . Stockport Cheshire There is a Joseph Wilkinson aged 47, a cotton weaver, and he is married to Sarah age50 and they have JOHN aged 28, Martha aged 24 Sarah 20 Joseph 14 Betty 12, Aaron 20 and Ann 18. NOne of the family except Ann was born in Cheshire. HO107/1101/Folio12/ page 8
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    Well Lola, thanks for your response. I'll print out your info. A certain well known ancestry site (can't mention it here), charges a whopping $24.95 a month to access their international records. Who can afford that? Fifty some dollars for 6 months of US records, I can afford, but they charge you additional fees for every category of information (Civil War, other wars etc.). So a site like this is a blessing. Thanks again for the input.

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    Hang on there ! It cannot be correct.
    If George Wilkinson was born in 1841 then his father(John) would not be aged 28 living at home with his parents.... so scrub that one(though it looked so promising) and we start afresh!
    I still say disregard those trees on A****** until you have established whether or not they are your folk.(They are no further back with Joseph1794.)
    What exactly do you know from the US censuses? What occupation did your John(born 1813) or George born 1841 have.

    There are so many John Wilkinsons(and joseph's) born around the same time. Some in Yorks and some in Cheshire. I will look for some baptisms.

    I have the 1841 census for Cheshire Gt Budworth.
    A John Wilkinson , a labourer aged 25,born Cheshire
    wife Mary 25 and two daughters aged 5, Hannah and 3(Sarah) and baby George 5months old.
    HO 107/piece 92/ folio10/page3

    And 1851
    John Wilkinson aged 38
    Mary Wilkinson age35
    GEORGE 10
    Elizabth 4
    Thomas 2
    William Willington age 20 lodger
    HO107/2164/folio81/page10

    !861
    It seems that same George age 20 is still in Budworth/Stretton but a carter on the farm run by John Forrest and family.
    But whether this is your George I do not know for sure yet.
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    Hi Paladin,

    To help us get an understanding of your ancestors can you please tell us when Emma J Wilkinson was born, and where the family are to be found on US census, as some of us here have access to US census if we are able to see them there we can build a family unit, which will help us to help you.

    Can you also tell us other children names born to George and Mary and their approx birth years. Have you located them on more than one census, if so which ones and where were they living?
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    Paladin can please explain how you got back to John Wilkinson born 1813 Antrobus Cheshire, and then to Joseph 1794 Stockport? Sorry for all the questions but they need to be answered for us to take your request further.
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    Emma J. Wilkinson was born in August of 1864 and died sometime in 1939. She married William Albert Hall in 1891. John and Joseph's birth locations may not be accurate, but the birth dates, seem to always the same, when I ran across them. But I traced back George's father and grandfather on several other free sites a few months back. Someone rather distant in relationship, claims that originally, that branch of the family was originally Wilkins, but I have never found anything under that name. Who knows? Maybe the name was originally Wilkins 3 or 4 centuries ago.

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    The family below may or may not be your family, it does fit in with what you have posted.

    Did Emma go on to marry William Albert Hall?

    Do you know the names of any of Emma's sibblings.

    1870 United States Federal Census
    Name: Emma Wilkinson
    Age in 1870: 7
    Birth Year: abt 1863
    Birthplace: New York
    Home in 1870: Webster, Monroe, New York
    Race: White
    Gender: Female
    Post Office: West Webster
    George Wilkinson 30
    Mary Wilkinson 35
    Emma Wilkinson 7
    William Wilkinson 5

    1870; Census Place: Webster, Monroe, New York;
    Roll: M593_971; Page: 439A; Image: 176; Family History Library Film: 552470

    There is also a Mary age 3 on the census living with another family but it states she is from the same family shown above.

    All family born New York apart from wife Mary, she is from Ireland
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    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

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    This looks like it might be Emma (Wilkinson) Hall:

    1910 United States Federal Census
    Name: Emma Hall Age in 1910: 35 Birth Year: 1875
    Birthplace: New York
    Home in 1910: Parma, Monroe, New York
    Race: White Gender: Female
    Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married
    Spouse's Name: William Hall
    Father's Birthplace: New York Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
    William Hall 35 Emma Hall 35
    Mabel Hall 16 Mary Hall 15
    Wilbur Hall 11 Florence Hall 7 Nellie Hall 6 Newton Hall 6
    Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Parma, Monroe, New York;
    Roll: T624_988; Page: 14B; Enumeration District: 0028; Image: 838; FHL Number: 1375001.

    There is a difference in Emma's birth date 1875

    Do you have any Birth Marriage or Death certs for Emma?
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

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    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

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    Paladin,
    You cannot go further back until you have established beyond doubt WHO your George Wilkinson born in USA 1841, supposedly , is.... so you need his birth certificate.
    You also need to establish where his father John was born and his occupation.
    It is no good looking back to England unless you have established WHEN this John(born 1813) and his wife entered the US. Do you have JOHN Wilkinson born 1813 on any US census.
    His entry papers should establish his birthplace and once you have this then you can go back further.

    MARY from Ireland ? Again the marriage certificate should give her father's name and occupation. On A******* there are several Mary Barrys who born Ireland who left for New York USA from Liverpool. There are one or two of the right age as your Mary.
    Do you have Emma's birth certificate?

    You need to be sure each step of the way until you have John's birth established and then you can be certain of tracing the right one back.

    It may well be that his son, George, was in fact born in England but at the moment you do not know this for sure..... so it is best if you start from what you know to be true facts.....

    I have just looked at one of those trees on A******* and to me it makes no sense whatsoever.
    They have George born Appleton US1841 (In fact he was born Appleton Cheshire and can be found on 1891 census in Toxteth Liverpool)
    Marries Stretton Cheshire England. 1864 (to Mary Berry)and then back to US and marries a second time(Mary Wright).

    How is this possible? Agricultural labourers/ railway workers and such did not have the money to trot back and forth across the Atlantic.
    PLease disregard other trees for the time being. Slizzy and Noggin and others will help you on the right track.
    Last edited by Lola5; 30-11-2011 at 09:09 PM.

 

 

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