Thread: Sidney Percy Belsey

Hi,

I am back again to see if anyone can help me with my next brickwall.

I am trying to find the parents of a Sidney Percy Belsey , i have his fathers name as Thomas Edward Belsey, which i have taken from the LDS site which was on there on Sidneys marriage to Louisa Susannah Jeffs in19 May 1901 Christ Church Croydon.
I have Sidney Percy Belsey born 1877 Herne, Kent, i cannot find a 1881 census for him but in 1891 i have himn age 12 staying at the Industrial School and Home for Destitute Boys, which was in Primrose Hill Chelmsford.

I have him also having a sister Sarah Ann Belsey who was born 1860 in Dover and her father also was Thomas Edward Belsey found on the LDS site on her marriage to Edward Hubard 18th October 1874 Buckland by Dover.

So She would have been married before Sidney Percy was born, that is if this father is the same Thomas Edward Belsey.

What i am trying to find out is who Sidney Percy Belsey parents actually were, was he iligitimate, or did his mother die when he was born, and what happened to his father "Thomas Edward Belsey" for him to go to theHome for Destitute Boys.

The main reason for wanting to find Sidneys father is to go further and find out who his Granparents were so i can link this family to my Belsey Tree.
Has anyone acess to the records for Destitute Boys and would they have the parents name.

Many thanks,

Sheila Johnson

Hi PEjay

Thank you for replying to my query.

Sorry made a mistake about Sarah Anns place of birth, should have just been Kent, Dover is where she was married.

No I do not have any certificates as yet, i found both Sidney Percy and Sarah Anns marriages on the LSD site and that is how i came to link them together as they both had the father as Thomas Edward Belsey/

I have an extensive Belsey tree which many people have been working on over the years and have over 3,000 Belsey family members which all merge with each other. But we have a few hundred that are strays and dont seem to link up. I have many Thomas Belseys but this is the only one with the middle name Edward, so have assumed that Sarah and Sidney must be brother and sister, although like you thought there was a big gap. Cannot find any other Belseys in between their birth years with the father called Thomas Edward.

The Thomas Belsey you have found born 1855 in St. Lawrence was the son of James Belsey and Maria Osborne and died when he was 12.

Not sure how he ended up at the Destitute home, was hoping someone would have access to records to find out his name and where he came from.

Will keep looking.

Thanks again for looking.
Sheila.

I think i should perhaps send off for the marriage certificates, of both to see if they share the same father and to confirm his name but at £9.50 a go works out expensive.

Hi Slizzy

Think you may be on the right track, yes i do have a Isaac Belsey (1852) married to a Ellen Caroline Newton.

She was in fact married 3 times, once to Isaac Belsey in 1843 Dover
Then in 1867 she was married to a Thomas Else in Dover
Then in 1870 she was married to a Thomas Edwards Kettle,

I am still looking at all these, but think you may have found the answer, perhaps the Sarah Ann was so confused when she married that she put her father down as Thomas Edward Belsey a mixture of the names. Have not got as far as Sidney Percy yet, but i am thinking perhaps he was the child of Thomas Edwards Kettle and again he may have left his mother and she was left destitute, and later on when he married put his fathers name as Thomas Edward Belsey.

Thanks very much for that, will probably spend most of the day looking through this, but at least now i have something to work on.

Thanks again

Sheila

Hello again

Just to keep you up to date, i have now realised that the marriage of Ellen Caroline Belsey to Thomas Else was in fact the marriage of a daughter of Ellen Caroline (Newton) Belsey ( who in fact now only married twice ) The daughter Ellen Caroline was born in 1852 Dover and married Thomas Else in 1867 they had three children but on the 1881 census she disappears, and Thomas is left with the three children. I have found a 1881 census with a Helen Else living in Westminster. on it same age but stating she is unmarried and was born in Fulbeck. I am now thinking she perhaps got pregnant by someone other than her husband and was thrown out and the child which i am thinking was Sidney Percy Belsey was put into care.

I am now looking into this.

Thanks for putting me on the hopefully right track.
Sheila.

Hi Slizzy

Have come to the conclusion that Sarah Ann was the daughter of Isaac Belsey and Ellen Caroline Newton, and after Isaac died Ellen remarried a Thomas Edward Kettle.

Still think that Sidney Percy Belsey who i had as her brother was in fact the son of her sister Ellen Caroline Belsey and was her nephew.

Ellen was married to a Thomas Else and disappears around 1876 after having 3 children with Thomas, she then leaves them all and i am thinking she go pregnant by person unknown and Sidney Percy "Belsey" was put in a childrens home.

If anyone has access to the Industrial School and Home for Destitute Boys or how i can find this, i can perhaps find out who his real parents were.

Thanks again Slizzy for your help

Sheila.