Eric and Sidney Shotts

**mandinfrance** · 05-11-2011 04:51 AM

Hi, I've reached a brick wall tracing my dad's side of the family!
My grandfather is Sidney Shotts and his brother is Eric Shotts. I 'know' their dates of birth, I've traced their marriages and deaths, and I found them on the 1911 census, but I can't find birth records for them.
Eric was supposedly born in London, and Sidney in Glasgow, to William (born in Germany) and Mary (born Glasgow).
Does anyone have any suggestions where I can look next??

**The Lady Marion** · 05-11-2011 05:54 AM

Hi There mandinfrance, I have found the marriage for Eric for 1939 to Elsa E Humphreys for the December quarter
Marylebone 1 a 2029.. You say you know their birth dates so could we have them please..Did William and Mary marry in England and do you have a date for their marriage?

**The Lady Marion** · 05-11-2011 05:57 AM

Could we also have the maiden surname for Mary please if known..

**mandinfrance** · 05-11-2011 06:08 AM

Hello,

This is all the info I have:-

William Shotts, b. Germany, about 1869
Mary (no idea on maiden name), b. Glasgow, about 1871
According to the 1911 census, they had been married about 10 years, though I don't know where they were married.
At the time of the census, they were living in Tottenham and William was a hairdresser.
This census contains the only mention I can find of William Shotts (there was a W Shotts in the merchant navy records in the 1920s, but I think he would have been too old to be at sea by then)

Son: Eric William, b. London 17.07.1902, married E. E. Humphreys Dec 1939, d. London 1971.

Son: Sidney Henry, b. Glasgow 19.11.1904, married Doris Finch 1927, then Jean Gate 1940, d. Southend 1978.

Both sons were in the merchant navy when they were young.

I can trace the family after they both married, but nothing earlier apart from that census...

**mandinfrance** · 05-11-2011 06:13 AM

by the way, Sid's two marriage records have him as Sydney.

**The Lady Marion** · 05-11-2011 06:54 AM

Hi All, I had rather a long chat on line with mandinfrance and we both feel the best option here is to purchase the marriage cert for 1939 in order to progress any further..I suggested also that somewhere there could have been a name change and a possible first marriage for Mary? mandinfrance asked if a death cert would confirm parents names but I said no only the cause of death the informants name,residence and age at death..

We look forward to hearing from you again soon mandinfrance and welcome to the forum..

The Lady Marion

**The Lady Marion** · 05-11-2011 06:59 AM

I like to order my certs on line with the General Records Office (GRO) If you have never ordered one before you must put all the details such as names spelt the way the are entered on the marriage entry..The page number and the ref number..You will also need to put the year and the month (Quarter) and the place..Marylebone

**The Lady Marion** · 05-11-2011 07:12 AM

Had another chat on line with mandinfrance and she is ordering the marriage cert for

Sidney's marriage to his first wife, Doris Finch..

**mandinfrance** · 17-11-2011 10:07 AM

So, I got my grandfather Sid's 1927 marriage certificate, which confirms his father's name as William Shotts (deceased) and that Sid was born in 1904. No nearer to finding William, or Sid's birth cert.
I also ordered the certificate for his mother's marriage the same year, which told me her maiden name (Miller) and that she was 52. Her father was Peter Miller and she was Mary Christina. I've looked on every site, including Scotlands People (she was supposedly born in Glasgow), but the only possibility was an army birth record for Aldershot, Hampshire in 1875. Come to a bit of a dead end again!

**slizzy** · 17-11-2011 02:49 PM

Please can you tell us ALL info on marriage cert's? For example the fathers' occupations, witnesses names, addresses.

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