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    I have come a cropper on my great Grandad's parents. His name was Ernest Crawley, it appears that he was born in 1882, although there is some discrepancy as some records say 1881, some 1882. He had 4 children, sylvia, Eva, Sydney and Ernest and was married to Ellen Goddard. I have found his grandparents, Sophia and George Crawley, Sophia's maiden name being Bone. However I cannot find his parents?! He is on the 1891 census as living with grandparents, but there is no of their's living in their house old enough to be the parent of Ernest. He is then on the 1901 census as living with Frederick and Alice Crawley, listed as nephew. Alice is not one of George and Sophia's children, and nor is Fred according to the census, without ordering a birth certificate I cannot ascertain who Ernest's parent's are?! Could anyone help me out?!

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    Hello Nicnox. More details please.Where was Ernest Born. Where Residing whilst living with grandparents
    Where Married. Then a search could be made will wait for more informaton

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    Hi Bronson he was born in 1881/1882, the birth is registered is 1881, the census says 1882. He was married between apr-jun 1908, in Marylebone! When living with his grandparents he was in Hemel Hempstead, which is also where he was born. Hope this is helpful, if you need any more info just tell me??!

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    Hi
    I have found his birth - qtr 3 of 1881 in Hemel Hempstead vol 3a page 504. On the 1891 census he is listed with George & Sophia Crawley as Grandson,
    Piece 1124 folio 62 page 29 although there are other children in the family both older and younger. The 1911 gives 5 children born, 4 living. But as you will see on the 1891 census it list 6 children including the grandson - so I see the concern. Perhaps the best solution is to purchase the birth certificate?

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    I am glad it's not me missing something, I noticed the children thing and through the fact was with his grandparents and then his aunt and uncle reached the conclusion his parents either died or gave him up. I think the birth certificate may have to be the way forward from here. Thanks for your help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicnox View Post
    . Alice is not one of George and Sophia's children, and nor is Fred according to the census, without ordering a birth certificate I cannot ascertain who Ernest's parent's are?! Could anyone help me out?!
    According to the 1881 census George and Sophia did have a son named Fred born 1875.

    1881, Hemel Hempstead. RG11; Piece: 1443; Folio: 73; Page: 39

    George Crawley 41, carpenter
    Sophia Crawley 37
    Minnie Crawley 7
    Fred Crawley 6
    Emma Crawley 9 months

    All born Hemel Hempstead.
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    George and Sophia didn't marry until 1878, I wonder therefore if one or the other of them had a child with a previous spouse.
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    I couldn't find this info on the site I am using? Thanks. I need to do some calculations and look at what i have notes wise but I think it is quite possible that Fred was Ernest's uncle. I found Minnie, and Emma, and they later went on to have Ellen, Lillie and William too. Fred married an Alice if it is the right Fred which I think it is.Which is who Ernest show's up as living with after his grandparents, Alice and Fred Crawley.

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    George is the Crawley side so it would be him who had the child previously as I am looking for a missing Crawley. Thank you, it hadn't occured to me that one may have had a child previous to their relationship!Bit dim today it appears! Sorry! I have a feeling that the missing child could possibly be a George too, as George is a name that then goes on through a couple if generations as a middle name.

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    Do you have Ernest's marriage cert? It's on Ancestry - if you don't have details I can post later. Let me know.
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