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    I am hoping someone can help me find out where William Henry Belsey disappeard too.
    He is my Great Uncle and he was born in 1873 in Ramsgate, his father was Henry Andrew Belsey, his mother Mary ann Grigg.
    he had 3 brothers and 4 sisters one being my grandmother for , which i have all their information, apart from William Henry.
    So far i have him born in Ramsgate 1873
    1881 Census has him living at 8 Sion Hill Cottages, Ramsgate, with his family.
    1891 Census has him still living at 8 Sion Hill Cottages, Ramsgate with his family age 18 a Fisher Lad.

    This is where he disappears, i can not find him on the 1901 or 1911 census or any marriages for him, so this set me thinking that perhaps he emigrated, i have taken a few wrong turns, one being that he went out to Canada on the Lake Erie in 1902 with a Margaret Belsey, but i have since found out that this was another William Belsey.

    I have found another passenger list with a William Belsey on it, The Grampian on the 17th January 1902 it has him as a labourer, heading toward Halifax.

    If any kind person could help me out with this, and if you require any more information on this family i will be happy to supply it,
    Thanks in advance.
    Sheila. Johnson.

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    Hi Shelia

    Why have you discounted William Henry Belsey, of 15 Lillian Road Ramsgate, a Police Constable in the 1911 census? Married to Caroline Rose Kendal, from Birmingham. Married Jun 1892 Belsey William Henry Aston 6d 398, Kendal Caroline Aston 6d 398,

    As this marriage took place in Aston Birmingham, I cannot offer to check the parish records in Ramsgate! - Unless the library has a copy of the banns register.

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    Hi Brian

    Thanks for replying, i did originally have this family connected to my William but as i was not 100% sure i sent off for the marriage certificate which showed his fathers name as Thomas Belsey and not his fathers, Henry Andrew Belsey, i have found the correct William Henry for Caroline Kendall and this Henry was my 2nd cousin.

    I have just found a passenger list with a Wm Belsey on it, going to Agentina on the 7th Jan 1898 he is shown as single and a labourer, but his name has been crossed through and a note next too it saying did not embark, so am i right in assuming he did not go on this ship which was called the THAMES which left from Southampton, perhaps he changed his mine, and got on another ship.

    Thanks for looking for me.
    Sheila.

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    Another suggestion for you, William Belsey who died at sea in 1895, on the vessel the Alliance. page 597 from the GRO Marine Death Indices 1846 -1902 He was recorded as aged 21, which would fit . but......

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    Hi Brian

    That is looking more like it hopefully this could be him (not that i wished he died that young) where could i find out the details of this and get a copy of the GRO Marine Deaths. Why did you put the but are you not sure or are you waiting for me to say i have already been down that route.

    Thanks very much and anything else you can find out on this i would be very grateful for, i have been searching for him for around 3 years.

    Sheila.

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    Yes I was expecting you to say, ah! its not a William HENRY Belsey, and you had check this one out as well!! The certificate can presume be purchased from the GRO like any other certificate. I have done a quick search for the vessel I cannot find any details. Perhaps others can oblige?

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    Thanks Brian,

    Looking hopeful will send off for the death certificate and see where that takes me, will let you know when i reiceve it if this is the right William.

    Thanks again, and hopefully someone else can help with any information on the Ship the Alliance

    Sheila.

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    Sheila
    Just some thoughts, The death cert is not going to give the fathers name, unless he registered the death, which seems highly unlikely.
    I hope someone will answer these questions for you.
    Are deaths registered on the GRO Marine Deaths, when the death occurs at sea?
    Would the death cert show if the body was returned to the UK?
    Would it state if the burial was at sea?

    If the body was returned to the UK, perhaps it was returned to Ramsgate for burial. Do you know which parish church the family used? Could the parish burial records provide the answer?

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    Hi Brian

    Yes i know where his father and mother are buried and also one of his sisters my grandmother, they are buried in Ramsgate Cemetery, Ramsgate, i will have to check the parish burial records which are in Ramsgate Library or pehaps give the cemetery a ring to see if he is buried there.

    Thanks again.
    Sheila.

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    Hi Brian

    I have finally received the death certificate for William Belsey, and guess what this is him, He died Dec 1895 age 21making his birth year 1873 which is correct, he was a third hand, on the Alliance which was in the North Sea 60 miles E by S of Lowestoft when he was swept overboard by heavy seas and drowned. It shows his place of birth was Ramsgate, and last place of abode was Ramsgate.

    You are a star, thank you very much for your help with this missing Great Uncle, i have spent many hours looking for him.

    Thank you once again.

    Sheila.

 

 

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