Chez groschtern 5 rue meslay paris 31
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CHEZ GROSCHTERN 5 RUE MESLAY PARIS 31
I need to try to find someone who lived here in the early 1950s - does anyone know where I might start looking?
The person was originally called Aba Witenberg but changed his name to Alfred Wood in London in 1948 he may have gone back to Witenberg I just don't know. He was then married in 1950 but left about 3/4 years later and went to the above address.
Does anyone have any ideas where I can start with this?
Thanks
Did you google earth it? It looks a very nice apartment with a lovely old stone entrance above shops in the 3rd Arondissement just off the Place de La Republique. At no 3 is a nice hotel.
Do you speak French?
Was this fellow any connection to Fritz Wittenburg and wife living in Birmingham in 1871.
Somewhere I have seen how to research in Paris but at the moment the name of the site escapes me.
you tube have a video of Paris in the 1950's
Do you think your chap might have been a chef?
Might Chez Groschtern, 5 Rue de Meslay have been a restaurant in the fifties?
Last edited by Lola5; 29-07-2011 at 11:14 PM.
No! I see from google search that he was a tailor and from Poland. The Wittenberg family from Birmingham in 1870's were also from Poland/ Germany.
So perhaps that place in Paris was a tailors/ couture house.
Thanks.
I have since found out from an American genealogist working in France that "CHEZ GROSCHTERN" literally means "the home of Groschtern" so maybe he was actually staying with that family. I will pursue this further.
Also it would seem that BMD records less than 75 years old are difficult to access in France unless you are a family member and you know the exact date of the event - so this may prove difficult.
I have also found quite a few French (Paris) Witenbergs who appear on a Shoah monument - so perhaps he went back to Paris because he had lived there before.
Hallo,
In Paris at that time were a lot of Jews.(T He was possibly a tailor. There is still a Jewish association in Paris. Maybe they would help. That Marais quarter of Paris had big influx of Jews(terrible things happened in 40's). Google it.
MARRIAGE
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Name: [TD]Aba Witenberg[/TD]
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Spouse Surname: Patricia M [TD]Woolf[/TD]
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Date of Registration: [TD]Oct-Nov-Dec 1950[/TD]
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Registration district: [TD]Wood Green[/TD]
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nferred County: [TD]Middlesex[/TD]
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Volume Number: [TD]5f[/TD]
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Number: [TD]1006[/TD]
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Milford Lass
this site is a pain
marriage
Aba Witenberg
spouse Patricia M Woolfe
Oct-Nov-Dec 1950
district - Wood Green
county - Middlesex
vol 5f
page 1006
Milford Lass
Hi Glojo
The Paris archives are online (see Archives numérisées - Paris.fr and Sources généalogiques - Paris.fr ) but you can only get information up to 1903 from there.
After this date the records remain at the individual mairies (mayors' offices) for each arrondissement, so you'd have to contact Pierre Aidenbaum, 2 rue Eugene Spuller 75003 PARIS Tél. : 01 53 01 75 03 to see what they hold.
If you need any help with french-english translations, get back to me.
Good luck
Pam
Thank you everyone.
Pam - is this the address for the arrondissement that corresponds with the address I have? I understand that you have to be a close relative to ask for this - how do they get you to prove who you are?
Hi Glojo
Yes, the address you have is in the 3rd arrondissement (at least, it is now - I don't know whether there have been any changes since the fifties!) and Pierre Aidenbaum is the current mayor.
I assume you're interested in the recensements (censuses)? In France they're taken every five years, the ones you might be concened with would be 1946, 1951 or 1956. Happily in France they're only subject to a 30-year disclosure rule, not 100 years as in the UK, so the mayor is quite at liberty to divulge the info to you.
If it's the BMD records you're after, it's a bit different. They're called the Etat Civil. The births and marriages are subject to a 75-year disclosure, but deaths are available immediately (don't ask me why... it's France, after all LOL! Probably something to do with falsification of identity). You can get what is called either an integral copy or an extract of an etat civil.
The birth/marriage records less than 75 years old are available to family, direct decendants and professional genealogists. If you want to know more, there's a directive which explains it here: http://www.archivesdefrance.culture.gouv.fr/static/3886. (It's in French).
Sorry but I don't know what the charges are for any of this.
Last edited by poleta; 08-08-2011 at 11:52 AM.
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