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    Default Freemantle Park, Millbrook, hampshire

    Am hoping for help with a burial entry if anyone can help, have a death of Hannah Moore from Nailstone as reported in the newspaper

    The Leicester Chronicle: or, Commercial and Agricultural Advertiser (Leicester, England), Saturday, October 18, 1856
    DEATHS
    On the 3rd inst., while on a visit to Southampton, Hannah, wife of John Moore, of Nailstone, in this county

    It is registered by William Moore...no relationship given, Hannah's husband (John) is correct, death date as in Newspaper correct but I was hoping to chase the burial entry if anyone has access to parish records, presumably one of these churches

    Holy Trinity, Millbrook Road West, Church of England
    St Nicholas, Millbrook Road, Church of England

    I just need to tie it all up and then I can try and found out who she was visiting as son William is still in Leicester and his wife and family move to Steyning after his death 1871. Not sure who would be in the area as my Moore's are all in Leicester but it's not easy trying to work them all out!!!

    Any pointers for the area would help as I went to Genuki looking and found the 2 churches above listed.

    Many thanks
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    Hi Elaine,
    Do you have the actual death cert? Is Freemantle Park Millbrook the place she died?
    Is this your Hannah Moore, death Oct/Nov?Dec 1856 South Stoneham Hants 2c,35?
    What is the address of the place of death on the cert you have?
    If William Moore was present at the death then it would surely give the relationship(if he was her son) on the cert.
    He may well have been with his mother whilst she was visiting friends or relations in Hants.
    Or, might John Moore have had a brother William and it was this family whom Hannah was visiting.
    I cannot see how the burial record will help much. It will give name/age/grave number and wife of John Moore.
    A monumental inscription might give more info....if there was one.
    I will go and have a look around.

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    Hi Lola

    Have had some very helpful comments left by vicars when entering burial registrations and as she was not from the area ever hopeful the vicar may have commented.

    You have the right burial and all it says is Freemantle Park, Millbrook on the death cert I have. Brother William is still in Nailstone and there are so many William/John/Samuel/George anything is worth a shot and generally there are no headstones.
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    Hi Elaine.
    You are absolutely right.... some vicars comments are jolly helpful.
    I have been trawling through the 1851 for Hampshire entries in hopes of something .
    There was a William Moore 57(ag lab) and wife, Martha,daughters Mary 27 and Eliza 10 living at South Stoneham(all born there) on 1851.... but?
    There were several William Moores (one in Havant and one in Alverstoke also so no luck there. (I was looking for one with a Leics link)
    Wonder what your Hannah was doing there.... NOT on a day trip in 1856 that's for sure!
    Hopefully someone will have access to the burial records.
    What did she die of?
    ..... and did you find Gertrude Wills?

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    Dysentery 6 weeks! Poor thing, but you know how something gives you a gut feeling...not dysentery....just keep coming back to Hannah thinking something is going to jump out at me.

    Gertrude escapes me as grandad is adopted son 1911 with another family and keeps the surname Wills, I was told he was a Barnardo's boy and a search said not and there isn't anyone to ask anymore
    Elaine

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    Poor Hannah,
    Well she must have been staying somewhere all that time. Stoneham... or Hospital or?
    Can you not e mail Hampshire Archives... they have the burial registers for all the churches in Southampton including Millbrook... some kind soul there might do you a look up since you have the death date and burial must have been soon after.
    The 1921 census may answer questions about Grandad and Gertrude! Only another 10 years!!

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    I'll have a look round tonight and work on it!

    Funny you should say 1921, my aunty had a totally different take on things ie Gertrude as an aunt and related to the cigarette people. The only link I can find is that grandma was a Bryant...cigarettes and matches....I think it's funny!

    Big thanks for looking
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    I never made the connection.... Wills... of course cigarettes.
    "Grandma was a Bryant"... Yes! I think it's funny too.
    Are these related to Hannah Moore?
    Whatever was Hannah doing in Freemantle Park? Was it a hospital?

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    No they are not related to the Moore's
    I am stumped, it's not as if they were well off although son William did well as a tailor and goodness knows why they all moved to Sussex after he died, otherwise they are all in the Leicester area.

    Going by the newspaper, she was on a visit there, can find a Freemantle House, goodness knows!
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    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

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    Hi,
    Freemantle Park House was a big house, now mostly demolished, officially in Millbrook Parish until 1865 when the church at Freemantle was built. I live opposite to what was Freemantle Park, the laundry buildings of which became and are now part of Freemantle School. Freemantle Park was the first private house in England to have an Orangery. I can help with its history if need be.
    Your relative may have been a guest at, or visiting servants as a relation, in Freemantle Park when she died. If she died there at that time she would most likely have been buried in St Nicholas, Millbrook. That church no longer exists, nor its graveyard. It was demolished to make way for the dual carriageway into Southampton in the 1970's-80's. On a map the site is on the xroads junction with that road and Regents Park Road. Holy Trinity was not built until 1871 serving the growing population, so records for the time that you are looking at will not exist. Although services carried on in St Nicholas they ceased, once in 1889, and then completely in 1920, and the church was then disused.
    Freemantle Christ Church was not built until 1865 when the whole of Millbrook Parish was carved up into new parishes.
    Stoneham is the opposite side of Southampton with no connection to Freemantle at all, so I would not waste time looking at records in that parish. Stoneham did, however, give its name to the civil registration area for what is now part of Southampton and the New Forest.

    Southampton City Records, on the whole, do not have records for other than for the city, and at this time Millbrook was not part of the city. Records, then, will probably be at Hampshire Records Office in Winchester.
    Hope this helps. Let me know if you want anything on Freemantle Park and I will try to help.
    Yours
    Victoria

 

 

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