Thread: Gum/Gumme/Gom

For some years I have been searching for a Thomas Gumm born about 1780-90.
He had a wife Johannah born about same time. Since they are not on any census they could have been born anywhere.
Christening of first child Henry was at Harmondsworth Middlesex in 1808.He is found in Lincolnshire with a Frances Smith through several censuses.(often mistranscribed). Her children, surnamed Smith, are his. How do I know? There are twins! Edward and Henry, My Gumms had twins.
Other children of Thomas and Johannah were christened at All Saints Kingston on Thames. I have them all. Some died and Edward born 1810 disappeared.(or died) The family lived in Ham Surrey from 1812 to at least 1826.
One of Thomas and Johanna's children was a Rebecca Gumm who gives on her marriage cert of 1843 that her father was Thomas, a farmer.(It does not say deceased)
One of Rebecca;s sisters married in Isleworth and went to Adelaide in 1839. Another married (also in Isleworth)and remained in Ham.(she had 11 children including twins.) (Rebecca;s twin brother and another sister died young)

Thomas Gumm was an ag lab at christenings of his children.
There is no sign of Thomas or Johannah on censuses or death indexes.
Where were they in 1841? Dead? Can anyone find the deaths please?
Now I have just found a marriage of a Thomas Gom to a Johannah Jones in Cookham Berkshire in 1807. Might this be them?
And... there were Gomms in Hurst Berkshire with a Thomas born 1792.
Might this be my Thomas.
This Thomas had several siblings and the names are similar to those of THomas and Johannah's children.
Has anyone any ideas?
Gom/Gum/Goom? Gomme/Gumme was pronounced Goom so spelling varied.
Hope this makes sense. Thanks for reading thus far..... and any suggestions welcomed.
I would like to put this lot finally to rest.
Lola

Name:Thomas Gomm
Gender:Male
Baptism/Christening Date:31 Oct 1786
Baptism/Christening Place:BISHAM,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name:John Gomm
Mother's Name:Ann
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:P01451-1

is in the right time frame too, and age wise might fight marriage a little better

Only just seen your reply Grungedav for which many thanks.
It seems that the Thomas Gomm who married Johanna Jones was married twice before and his place of residence at time of marriage to Johanna was Hillingdon Middlesex.
So either he was only briefly married to the two previous wives and might therefore be the Thomas born Bisham or else he was another Thomas born earlier.
John Gom and Ann also had another son born Bisham called John.
There was a John Gumm living in Richmond which is close to Ham (he died 1840) and his children were all baptised with similar names to Thomas and Johannas children and there were twins so perhaps they were brothers... which makes the Bisham born Thomas quite promising.
My Thomas was not the one born Hurst as that one moved up North.
Henry Gumm bap. 1807 finally married Frances Smith in 1871 and I have just obtained his marriage cert. His father Thomas Gumm , a labourer. It doesn't say dead(but he must have been). So no help there.

Hi Lola - just a bit of info for you about twins! The likelihood of having twins is carried through the female line, not the male line. If a mother has twins, then her daughters are more likely to have twins than other women, but her sons are no more likely to have them than any other man. So Frances Smith's twins may not have been Henry's children after all. Also the John Gumm in Richmond having twins doesn't make him likely to be Thomas's brother (though having similar names to Thomas's children makes him a strong contender I would have thought!) Hope this helps.

Thank you poleta,
Anything helps at this stage.
No Francis' twins may not have been Henry,s but if I could find them (F and H) in Nottingham in 1841 it would be a help.(Henry had a brother Edward).
It is all a mystery.
John Gumm and wife Phoebe in Richmond had twins. Thomas and Johannah in Ham had twins. Mary Ann(daugh of Thomas and Johannah) had twins, Henry(son of T and J) had twins.
Rebecca my gg grandmother (daug of T and J) only had one child(odd?)

I'll have a look and see if I can dig anything up for you.

Thanks,
Two pairs of eyes are better than one.
If the incidence of twinning is genetically determined through the mother then it is of no significance Henry's mother had twins.
You have set me off on another track though which is helpful.
I would like to find a death/remarriage for Johannah Gumm. Have searched wherever I can to no avail.

Can you let me know Thos/Johannah's children that you HAVE found, and which ones died (to save me pursuing them further?) - I have found five so far!

I have them all I think Poleta, (Well done for finding them!)
Thomas Gom married Johanna Jones Cookham berks 17 Dec 1807.
Henry bap Harmondsworth Middx, 14 Aug 1808(born 25 th July 1808 Ham..(parents given as Thomas Gum Ann Johanna(I think the Ann should be and)
Edward bap Kingston on Thames 1810 (parents Thomas Gumm and johannah(Thomas a labourer living in Ham Surrey. (Ham was part of Kingston then)
Mary Ann 1812 Kingston same parents. (Married James New(in All Saints Isleworth which was a ferry ride across the river from Ham) and lived in Ham all her life. Elizabeth born Dec 1814 and bap Jan 1815. Married John Charles Abbott(in Isleworth ) had three children and sailed on the Buckinghamshire to Adelaide in 1839. More children born Adelaide I have them and her death.
Rebecca and Isaac 1817(same parents as others) Rebecca/Rebekah was a midwife. married W R B somewhere abroad(army). Not on 1841. Regiment in Gibraltar or ? Married 1843 Charlton Kent when army home on leave. (Her father Thomas Gumm, farmer. Does not say dead)My g.
grandfather Mathew Thomas Burley born Camberwell 1838. have cert..(Army birth). says child of Serg and Mrs B. No sign of child in any census but mention on army medals in China wars. He marries 1867.and is on censuses after that. They lived Kingston jamaica, India, and Hampshire whilst in army and then in Richmond.

Isaac (twin of Rebecca) died 1819. Buried Richmond.
Dinah, the last born, 1821 died aged 4 buried.

And that's the lot ... so far.

Found Henry.... after many years,

Aha - I didn't find Mary Ann. Not that it gets you any further :-(

Still on the case!