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  1. 26-03-2011 03:30 AM #1
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    Default Forever stuck on this one branch! Please help!

    I have a woman in my tree called Maria Huntfield. It could also be Hunfield or Huntsfield.

    Long story short - her baptism record, which I found on the IGI, has her as Maria HUNFIELD. Bap 1799 in Tuxford, Notts, parents Philip HUNFIELD and Mary.
    No other siblings recorded either. No marriage between Philip and Mary found.

    Her marriage license has her as Maria HUNTSFIELD. Married to William Ball September 1832 in Elsenham, Essex.

    I have looked for a marriage for her parents Philip and Mary EVERYWHERE to no avail. As in, Ive done a surname only search for England/Scotland/Wales. Have tried as many variations of Hunfield as possible and nothing has come up.

    These people were obviously born somewhere, somehow. I know that not all baps/marriages and deaths were not always recorded. Still, I firmly believe a record is out there. How can I go about finding something? I am in Australia so someone in England has kindly had a look at the record office in Tuxford for me and couldnt find any record of them which looks like they came from another place (obviously) but where..??

    Please help - am going mad trying to look!

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  2. 26-03-2011 11:22 AM #2
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    is this them in 1841
    Name:Maria BallAge:45
    Estimated Birth Year:abt 1796Gender:FemaleCivil parish:ElsenhamHundred:UttlesfordCounty/Island:Essex
    Registration district:Bishops StortfordSub-registration district:Stanstead
    Household Members:NameAgeWilliam Ball30 Maria Ball45 George Ball16 Sarah Ball5 Maria Ball3 Mary Ball2 Eliza Ingold14

    Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 340; Book: 10; Civil Parish: Elsenham; County: Essex; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 10; Page: 15; Line: 1;

    if so there is quite a diff in age between spouses and also between first son and second son . george ball aged 16 is unlikely to be william's?? is this a second marriage. maria and george are born out of county.
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    Hello

    As you have details of the marriage licence, who are the other persons who are involved and waht is the age of the Bride and does it indicate which Parish she was of?

    Were you aware that you can use the fenilysearch centres to order and look at digitalised church records. I woiuld however warn you that not all churches have been 'done'! familysearch.org

    The other query ihad has been covered by welshlady, so I am assuming this is the correct census!
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  4. 27-03-2011 09:18 PM #4
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    hi elsabels, and vpf 76 and welsh lady.
    i just went on f/s and found maria hunfield parents philip hunfield and mary no maiden name, born 3/1/1799 tuxford notts. batch no. c 054092.
    england-odm. source film no.504052.
    and marriage to william ball was 29/9/1832 elsenham essex. her name spelt maria huntsfield. batch no.m 041971, england-odm.
    source film no.571179.
    hope this helps will go have a look for anything on philip and mary now for you.
    my kindest regards.............jean.............
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    Are these any help?

    England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
    Name: Maria Hunfield
    Gender: Female
    Birth Date: abt 1799
    Christening Date: 3 Jan 1799
    Christening Place: Tuxford, Nottinghamshire, England
    Father's Name: Philip Hunfield
    Mother's Name: Mary

    IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles
    WILLIAM BALL Male Marriages: Spouse: MARIA HUNTFIELD
    Marriage: 29 SEP 1832 Elsenham, Essex, England

    IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles
    Philip Huntsfield Male Marriages: Spouse: Mary Dannett Family
    Marriage: 12 JAN 1795 West Rasen, Lincoln, England
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    Thank you to everyone that has replied, its greatly appreciated. Should probably have mentioned which records I did have as all the info you have forwarded to me I did already have. The only thing I dont have is the actual marriage licence itself. The reason I know they married by licence is because the parish record of the marriage states they were married by licence and not by banns. Which brings me to point no.2, looking at that 1841 census and seeing that there is a 'son' called George who looks to be in his late teens/early 20's, and given the fact that William and Maria married in 1832, it does seem that this marriage may be Williams second and that George is the product of the first marriage. Or, it may be that George is an 'adopted' son (taken in by William and Maria), a cousin or brother of Williams....I guess I'll never know as its been difficult trying to pin him in the 1851 census as I dont have a birthplace for him. All I know is that he was not born in Essex. So being married by licence could explain the possible second marriage of William to Maria.

    The only record I dont have is the actual licence itself. I have emailed the record office in Chelmsford to ask how I can obtain a copy of the licence then I can see if a different parish is stated for Maria, or even William, as in the 1841 census it does say that he was not born in the county of Essex either. Unfortunately as he died before the 1851 I just cannot trace him any further. So Im hoping the record office will help me in the right direction.

    Secondly, I did find that West Rasen record of Philip Huntsfield and Mary Dannet. It does sit right with me, which is a good sign I suppose but I know that you cant just assume, and I just dont know if I can link this couple with Maria. There is no other child born to this couple - in West Rasen or Tuxford and Im not sure where they ended up after Tuxford as there are no death records for Philip or Mary there. Is it possible that the whole family travelled to Essex? The surname is the only thing that is connecting them and I guess the place of marriage is throwing me off. However it does make sense seeing as she was born in Nottingham and ended up in Essex. Seems they were a travelling family....

    I guess my question is - is there anyway I can link this family together? Is it possible that the West Rasen marriage is connected to the Tuxford birth of Maria? I dont want to go on a wild goose chase and I dont want to add these two West Rasen people on my tree until Im at least 95% sure they are mine....but will I be able to get to 95%?

    This is so frustrating......but I am enjoying this. Thanks again
    Last edited by VPF76; 27-03-2011 at 11:36 PM. Reason: repeating myself a bit too much...
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    I found this Philip and Mary but not sure if they are the same Philip and Mary that married.

    1851 England Census
    Name: Philip Huntsfield Age: 62
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789
    Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Huntsfield
    Gender: M (Male)
    Where born: Market Rasen, Lincolnshire, England
    Civil parish: Market Rasen Town: Market Rasen
    County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England
    Street Address: Willingham Street, Market Rasen
    Occupation:Landed Proprietor
    Registration district: Caistor Sub-registration district: Market Rasen
    ED, institution, or vessel: 17a Household schedule number: 169
    Philip Huntsfield 62 born Market Rasen
    Mary Huntsfield 61 born Bishop Norton, Lincolnshire

    England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
    Name: Philip Huntsfield
    Probate Date: 21 Aug 1865
    Death Date: 7 Aug 1865
    Death Place: Lincolnshire, England
    Registry: Lincoln
    Does not mention who benifited from the will

    England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
    Name: Philip Huntsfield
    Year of Registration: 1865
    Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
    District: Caistor
    County: Lincolnshire
    Volume: 7a Page: 393
    No Age given on death
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    If you look at the Lincolnshire records on familyseacrh.org, you will find quite a few entries for HUNTSFIELD, putting them together may create a family tree! There are also HUNTSFIELD in Cheshire in the late 1600's

    George 'BALL' could of course be Maria's son by another marriage, you do really need to get the Marriage Licence

    To go with the death above

    Philip Huntsfield
    Gender:Male
    Burial Date:10 Aug 1865
    Burial Place:Market Rasen, Lincoln, England
    Age:76
    Birth Date:1789
    Indexing Project (Batch) Number:B03108-4System
    Origin:England-EASySource Film Number:1450429
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    thanks heaps everyone for your input. I have gotten in contact with the record office in Essex and they promptly got back to me saying that they did have the licence in their records, they also attached an order form so I ordered the licence - fingers crossed it will get me moving in the right direction.
    thanks so much again for the help.
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    Keep us posted with the results

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