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    Exclamation TABERNER, Peter - Lost in 1891

    . Yes, I do have a brick wall that I would really like help with, please. I have a paid sub to TheGenealogist where most of my research has been done; as well as the obvious FreeBMD, LancsOPC and WiganWorld sites. So my problem is to place my ancestor (only by marriage) in 1891 and the details are:

    Peter TABERNER (it has many variants) b.1848 – this could be his registration as the mother’s name is right
    TABERNER Peter Hindley Wigan & Leigh LOWTON HNDL/8/133


    In 1881 he is living with his wife Elizabeth (unknown) and daughter Margaret age 3.
    Peter TABERNER Head M Male 33 Ince, Lancashire, Coal Miner

    Elizabeth TABERNER Wife M Female 29 Ince, Lancashire, England Margaret TABERNER Daur Female 3 Ince, Lancashire, England John ROGERS Boarder M Male 27 Ince, Lancs Coal Miner
    Source Information
    Dwelling 217 Manchester Rd
    Census Place Ince In Makerfield, Lancashire, England
    Family History Library Film 1341903
    Public Records Office Reference RG11
    Piece / Folio 3777 / 92 Page Number 1


    In late 1881/early 1882 they have a second daughter, Elizabeth. Possibly one of the following but I don’t have the finances for certs:


    Births Dec 1881
    TABERNER Elizabeth Wigan 8c 86
    Births Mar 1882
    TABERNER Elizabeth Wigan 8c 185


    This Elizabeth went on to marry Levi BRISCOE as follows:
    Marriage: 11 May 1901 St Peter, Hindley, Lancashire, England
    Levi Briscoe - 20 Miner Bachelor of 1 Platt Street
    Elizabeth Taberner - 20 Spinster of 1 Platt Street
    Bride's Father: Peter Taberner, Miner
    Witness: Herbert Edwin Cooke; Margaret Jolley
    Married by Banns by: James W. Jacobs
    Notes: [Groom's father not named but recorded as Dead]
    Register: Marriages 1889 - 1902, Page 227, Entry 454
    Source: Original register at Wigan Archives


    By 1891 I am unable to find any of the 4 TABERNER family.


    By 1901 Peter (now widowed) and his 19 year old daughter Elizabeth are living with Peter’s widowed sister Ellen SMITH.


    I found the death of an Elizabeth TABERNER which matches her age if we take the 29 she claimed in 1881 as correct:


    Deaths Mar 1885
    TABERNER Elizabeth 34 Wigan 8c 62


    I know details of Peter’s parents and 5 siblings. What I would like to find is the family in 1891, if it is still a family. It’s also possible that finding Levi BRISCOE and Elizabeth (TABERNER) in the 1911 could throw some light onto it but I don’t have access to that census. Also just who Peter’s wife is.


    I can't count how many hours I've spent on this and would so much love some help.


    Thanks,
    Maid of Kent


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    Is this him with Ellen 1891, transcribed as

    RG12; Piece: 3059; Folio 115; Page 23
    223 Stoney Lane, Hindley, Lancashire
    Richard Smith 52 Head Mar Coal Miner Westhoughton Lancs
    Ellen Smith 51 Wife Wigan Lancs
    John Jolley 24 Boarder Coal Miner Hindley Lancs
    Peter Gabener 43 Coal Miner Ince Lancs
    Elizabeth Taberner 9/12 Ince Lancs









    9/12
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

    Census information Crown Copyright in Care of The National Archives

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    Hello Maid of Kent

    BRISCOE Levi

    b q1 1882 Wigan 8c 103 s/o Mary A BRISCOE
    Warrington Road Abram

    d q4 1921 Oldham 8d 792
    1891 census
    RG12 3057 32 8
    79 Warrington Rd Abram
    h/house
    BULLOCK William F b 1862 Dawley Shropshire
    BULLOCK Mary A b 1860 Dawley Shropshire
    BULLOCK Levi 9 b 1882 Abram Lancashire
    BULLOCK Frank 3 b 1888 Abram Lancashire

    1901
    RG13 3560 81 17
    121 Warrington Road Abram

    Levi BRISCOE = Elizabeth TABERNER
    Olive 1904
    Alphonso 1906
    Arthur Stanley 1907
    Mary Ann 1909
    May 1911 Warrington Road Abram

    Medal Card WW1
    Corporal Levi BRISCOE , regiment Highland Light Infantry Reg no 4213
    Theatre of War France 26/10/1915
    awarded Victory / Star /
    deserted 1916

    no mention of Peter or Margaret TABERNER

    Lancashirebmd.org.uk
    1911census.co.uk

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    In 1891 peter is listed as widow, sorry missed that bit!
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

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    Marriage

    1873 Elizabeth WILKINSON = Peter TABERNER Christ Church Ince,

    The alternatives are ROBY = TABERNER at Wigan
    FARRIMOND = TABERNER Wigan


    Death 1885
    TABERNER Elizabeth 34 Hindley
    Last edited by Elsabels; 19-03-2011 at 10:36 PM.

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    And back to 1891, Elizabeth is 9 on the census return, found transcription on another site and it's not 9 months and also listed as relative
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

    Census information Crown Copyright in Care of The National Archives

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    According to a tree on A******* Margaret marries William Gregory 1897 and they go to Canada. There are some photo's of her there too, here's the reference for 1901

    RG13; Piece: 3612; Folio: 82; Page: 3
    They arrive in Quebec 1913 and she marries James William Morgan 30 Apr 1916
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

    Census information Crown Copyright in Care of The National Archives

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    Hi all

    just to let you know i have already put OP in touch with the ances*** tree people so she can exchange info.

 

 

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