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    Hoping you can help, please.
    I’m a descendant of Peter Baker of Liverpool. I’m trying to confirm details about his grandson Henry Dawson (my 3rd Great Grandfather).

    My 5th Great-Grandfather was Peter Baker, Baker & Dawson Shipbuilders, Liverpool (b. 1732, d. Feb. 1796 during his term as Mayor of Liverpool)
    - Peter Baker married Ann (possibly Charnley). - Had one Child – Margaret Baker, (b. about 1757)

    Their daughter, my 4th Great Grandmother Margaret Baker married Captain John Dawson (he of the Carnatic fame and slave-trading infamy). They had 14 children and lived in Carnatic Hall, Mossley Hill. We understand that the first 12 children are all named in Peter Baker’s Will of 1796, another 2 were born after that date.

    Of John and Margaret Dawson’s 14 children, it is their son Henry Dawson (my 3rd Great Grandfather) who presents a block for us.

    Questions about Henry Dawson:
    - Where, when was Henry Dawson born? Likely Liverpool?
    - Did he marry Alice Pedder? (their son John named the first daughter Alice Pedder Dawson)
    - Hanry/Alice moved from Liverpool and lived in Lancaster, Lancashire, England.
    - Had 2 sons, John Dawson, (b. 1799, d. Nov. 19, 1871, West Derby, Lancashire.) and a son William Henry Dawson, b. 1803
    - Henry was apparently a Lieutenant in the Royal Navy, said to have died in India.
    - Dates of death for Henry Dawson, Alice Dawson?
    Henry and his wife died when their 2 boys were young. Their son John Dawson was taken to Carnatic Hall to be raised with his aunts and uncles and grandparents John Dawson and Margaret (Baker) Dawson). It was Henry’s son John Dawson (my 2nd Great Grandfather) who inherited his grandfather’s shipbuilding business. He married Jane Mulvey, they had 8 children and we have detailed confirmed records on John and Jane and family. Their daughter Laura Ann Dawson was my Great Grandmother.
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    From: admission register of the Manchester School, Volume 3, Part 2, p. 211 ,
    "Robert, son of John Dawson, esq., merchant, Liverpool, Lane. July j. This scholar, son of John Dawson, csq., of Mossley hill, near Liverpool (who died at Bath in 1813), and grandson of Peter Baker, esq., who died whilst mayor of Liverpool in 1795, and whose sister Anne married Dr. Frodsham Hodson (see p. 116 <'n ii), attained the rank of major in the service of the late hon. East India Company, seeing good service in India, but retiring from the army before the stirring events of recent years, and died at Brussels, s.p., in 1841. The family of Dawson is said to have come originally from Cumberland, and to have been represented from an early period by substantial and respectable yeomen. Two brothers of this scholar, but not educated at the school, died in India : Peter, an officer in the 21st dragoons, who died before Seringapatam ; and Henry, a lieutenant in the royal navy. The youngest sister, Fanny, married admiral H. B. Tremlett, a distinguished naval officer, of whom there is a biographical notice in the Gentleman's Magazine of December 1866. For a younger brother, Frederick Ackers Dawson, H.A., now rector of Buscot, Berks, see Register anno iSii..

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    Not had much look but have found the auction of the hall 3 July 1889 in the newspaper
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    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

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    In December 1889 there was quite a fire and extensive damage, house owned by a shipbuilder. I was the carelessness of the workman restoring it that caused the fire
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

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    Hello

    Cannot get to grips with this, I found details of:

    Henry DAWSON shipbuilder h 34 Grafton St Liverpool ( not sure if correct HD)

    Do you know where Henry sits in the family of siblings?

    sister Ann died aged 48 married 30/06/1808 Camberwell to Frodsham HODSON tdied 1822 aged 51 they had 4 daughters and a son

    brother Robert died 1842 Brussels

    We understand that the first 12 children are all named in Peter Baker’s Will of 1796
    Have you seen a copy of the will?

    As your family appear to have East India Company connections, have you looked at this site Family in India FIBIS

    Do you require informastion on any of Henry's siblings?

    elsabels

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    Thank you so much, Elaine. I recall my G-Uncle's research on the Hall and its owners and will search for the newspaper item. Much appreciated.

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    Many thanks Elsabels...
    - Yes, I have details on Henry's sister Anne (Dawson) Hodson and the Frodsham Hodson family and can offer this item on Anne's death date. Excerpt from the admission register of the Manchester School, Volume 3, Part 2 "He (Frodsham Hodson) married, on 30 June 1808, Anne, daughter of John Dawson of Mossley Hill, Liverpool. He left four daughters and a son. His widow died on 23 April 1848."

    - Re: siblings... my G-Uncle had shown Peter Baker Dawson as eldest son and Henry as 2nd son, but I think Henry might have been 4th in line (Anne (m. Frodsham Hodson); Maria (m. Moses Dawson Carr); Peter Baker Dawson; then Henry; Richard; Thomas William; Robert; Harriet; Amelia Sophie; Catherine; Esther (m. Henry Frederick Sewell); Margaret; Fanny (m. Wm. Henry Brown Tremlett, Admiral, RN); Eliza; John; and finally Frederick Ackers Dawson (m. Harriet Anne Boileau, 2nd m. for her). Wherever I have spouses, I've been able to gather a fair bit on them in various censuses and BMD records but I have no spouses for the rest of the siblings and if you have any information on them that would be great.

    - Confirming I too have Robert's death as 1841 (1842?) Brussells .

    - No, I haven't seen a copy of Peter Baker's Will, other than a note of its filing (below). It certainly would be interesting to see and I'll pursue.
    Records from Cheshire, England: Parish and Probate Records - Cheshire: - Wills and Inventories, 1791-1800
    Births Anno 1657.
    List of the Wills Now Preserved in the Probate Registry, Chester.
    From the Year 1791 to 1800 Inclusive.
    County: Cheshire
    Country: England Baker, Peter, of Mosley Hill, esquire 1796

    - Thanks for the East India connection and I'll follow through with Family in India FIBIS.

    Grateful to you,
    - Jo-Anne (Ontario, Canada)

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    Hello Jo Ann

    Records from Cheshire, England: Parish and Probate Records - Cheshire: - Wills and Inventories, 1791-1800

    I visit Chester Record Office on a monthly basis let me make enquiries as it may be cheaper from this end or I can transcribe....! I just need to sort all the children out so I do not miss anything, makes a change from Ag Labs!

    DAWSON and SEWELL are both surnames that crop up in the Cumberland ( now Cumbria)

    The Manchester School, referred to, is now Manchester Grammar School History click here They now employ an Archivist at the school, contacting her, Rachel per site, maybe fruitful

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    If you want any info from the paper, let me know
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

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    London Gazette?

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    Local Lancaster paper, I use my library card online
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

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