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    Exclamation HENRY, Belfast Ireland

    I am extremely grateful for this opportunity.

    I would like to locate the birth place/ date/ location and verify his parent's names of John HENRY of Belfast Ireland.

    He was co-owner of Henry & Haig Co Ltd, a manufacturing business in Belfast on 33 Bedford St.

    He died July 9 1889 in Belfast.

    From Civil Marriage Record for his marriage to Sarah FISHER, his father is recorded as Samuel HENRY, a farmer.

    Unverified family stories:
    - John's first son, Hugh Fisher HENRY, may have been born on John's birthday (May 5).
    - John POSSIBLY had a twin brother – POSSIBLY named Harry.
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    Other information that may be help:

    He was married at least 2 times:
    John may have married between the births of his daughters Martha and Mary because Mary said in a letter that she was angry with her older sibling Hugh because he was unkind to her mother. Some family members think that Mary was possibly referring to her stepmother Roseanna because they were very close.

    wife #1. Sarah FISHER, daughter of Hugh FISHER of Broughshane St in Ballymena Antrim in Jan 1865 from Civil Marriage record

    They had at least 3 children: Hugh Fisher HENRY b. 5 May 1866, Martha b. 21 Aug 1867 and possibly Mary b. Sept 1868.

    [Note: In the familysearch.org database I found _two_ John Henry and Sarah Fishers as parents of numerous children And I don't know enough of my family to narrow the information. Another brickwall for another time.]

    I don't know when, where or why Sarah died.

    Possibly Wife #2: John married Roseanna COSTELLO in Aug 1875. She was the daughter of Samuel COSTELLO.
    They had 5 children: Anna Costello 'Stella' b. May 1876, Costello John 'Jack' b.7 Nov 1878, Margruetta b. 19 Dec 1880 , Catherine Emma b. between Oct – Dec 1882 , Samuel Wallace b. 1886 d.1888.


    Thank you again.
    Beryl

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    In case you haven’t picked it up, there is an abstract (summary) of John Henry’s will on the PRONI site:

    PRONI Will Calendars - Search

    Full Abstract :
    Letters of Administration of the personal estate of John Henry late of 24 College-green Belfast Merchant who died 9 July 1889 at same place were granted at Belfast to Hugh Fisher Henry of 24 College-green Belfast Gentleman a Child. (Unfortunately the original will has been destroyed and only the abstract survives).

    Hugh Fisher Henry is described as a child which does not tie in with the date of birth you have for him of 1866. Could he have been born later?

    What was John’s address on the marriage cert to Sarah, what church did they marry in and what religion were they?

    Noting that Sarah came from Ballymena, it’s possible that John & father Samuel were also from that area. There are 3 Samuel Henry (farmers) living around Ballymena at that time in Griffiths Valuation.

    I can see what looks like John’s death on the LDS pilot site, June – September 1889 Belfast, Volume 1, page 240. It has his age as 52, born 1837. His parents marriage and his own birth are all well before the start of statutory registration and so to locate his parents, you’ll be heavily reliant on church records. So we need his age, religion and the townland/parish he came from to do that search.

    Here’s his death notice from the Belfast Telegraph:

    HENRY -- July 9, at 24 College Green, John Henry (Messrs. Henry & Haig), of apoplexy, aged 52 years. Funeral will leave deceased's residence at eleven o'clock on to-morrow (Thursday), for interment in the City Cemetery.

    It might be worth checking with the Telegraph to see if there was an obituary for him, which might give some family details.

    NB re wills, I noted a will for Hugh Fisher of Broughshane St, Ballymena, granted probate on 20.6.1870. That’s presumably Sarah’s father. It names 3 other children: Jane Fisher who inherited the house in Broughsane St, Robert Fisher & Hugh Cumming Fisher (who lived at 10 Eglinton St, Belfast.)
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    Default HENRY, Belfast: PRONI Will abstract

    Hi Elwyn,

    Yes, I have seen the Will abstract and noticed the wording but I'm sure it is our Hugh Fisher HENRY born in 1866 eventhough it says "child" because it says "Gentleman a Child".

    I took this to mean "a gentleman who is the adult offspring of the deceased person". He could have used the word 'son' instead of 'child' but either word would mean the same thing.

    Beryl

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    Hello Beryl

    [Note: In the familysearch.org database I found _two_ John Henry and Sarah Fishers as parents of numerous children And I don't know enough of my family to narrow the information. Another brickwall for another time.]
    You could always order and view the original of the parish records through the Familysearch centre ....look on the tool bar of the opening page of the site.....

    elsabels

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    Default Samuel HENRY- religion; poss location & birthdate

    Yes, I agree that John HENRY and his father, Samuel may also be from the Ballymena area.

    1. In the Tithe Allotment Book entries online I found Samuel HENRY in Ballybollen, Drummaul Parish, Antrim in 1834. That is very close to the approximate birth year of 1837 that I have for John's birth.

    2. Also, the family story is that John's son Hugh Fisher HENRY was born on John's birthday. Hugh's birth date which I've found in several places is May 5.

    3. The family was Presbyterian.

    I hope this is helpful.
    Beryl

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    Default HENRY & FISHER marriage

    Sorry I only have a marriage record which gives the following info:

    John HENRY: 27 year old Writing Clerk.
    Address: Broughshane St Ballymena,
    Denomination: Civil Parish/District,
    Father Samuel HENRY - Farmer

    Sarah FISHER: 25 year old
    Address: Broughshane St Ballymena,
    Denomination: Civil Parish/District,
    Father: Hugh FISHER - Parish Clerk

    Witnesses: John McVicker; Martha McBirnie

    A civil marriage which means not in a church, correct?

    So, the address is the same for both, Is that proper!!??

    Also another question:
    Her father was parish clerk of WHATparish? How do I find out?
    Would that information help me to find their burials?

    Beryl

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    Yes from the info you have it appears to be a Registry office wedding. You ask if having the same address was proper. Well it appears to have been Sarah's father's house so why not? Perhaps John worked in Ballymena at that time and was lodging there.

    Re Sarah's father being a parish clerk, only the RC and Church of Ireland have parishes in Ireland. He seems more likely to be COI than RC, so I'd guess it would be for the COI main church in Ballymena. The graveyard beside that church has not been used for many years, and so if she is buried in Ballymena, it is more likely to be what's known as the Old Graveyard or in the later municipal graveyard. But you know John is buried in the City cemetery in Belfast. Perhaps she was too?

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    Thank you, Elsabels, I will do that.

    Beryl

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    RE: City Cemetery

    Hi Elwyn,

    I did check for Sarah FISHER HENRY in the City Cemetery when I found John there, but she wasn't there. That's why I'm thinking she may be buried with her parents in Ballymena. She died sometime before 1875 when the second marriage took place. He first child was Hugh Fisher HENRY born in 5 May 1866 and the second child, Martha, in 21 Aug 1867. So it would be between 1867 and 1875.

    Her father was Hugh FISHER.

    Would I contact the church in Ballymena or are the burial listings in an archive? Or are they searchable online somewhere? That would be helpful.

    Beryl
    (in Canada)

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    Thank you, Elsabels and Elwyn, for your suggestions.

    Beryl

 

 

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