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    AA Member Newbie Kemp is an unknown quantity at this point
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    Exclamation my brickwall

    Hope I have the right place . Could I please have some help

    Kate Jane Pogson born 1884 25th March to Catherine Pogson 1851 and William George Pogson 1841 in Belgrave ...she had a sister Edith jones pogson
    Kate married Thomas Gordon Wolstencroft 17th Feb 1909
    In 1911 Kate now called katherine jane wolstencroft is back with her sister in their family home 30 Gloucester street Pimlico and it says she is a widow
    In 1912 15th July a child Katharine Charlotte williams is born to Kate jane williams late wolstencroft formerly pogson FATHER William Henry Williams = builders clerk
    In 1913 child Evelyn Florence born 25th sept FATHER William Henry Williams =Accounts clerk , this baby dies 13 days later father accounts clerk
    In 1916 Evelyn Florence(2) born 22nd Jan FATHER William Henry Williams = Writer Royal army clothing dept
    In 1934 ...by total luck I found death of William Henry Williams age 58 builders clerk 3rd Jan at 93 Sydney Street London IN ATTENDANCE = K J Williams 41 Westmoreland street ...This house was their family home that mum went to as a 5 year old
    In 1935 Dec 15th Katherine Charlotte married Stanley Victor Busby She says her name is Katherine Charlotte Wolstencroft- Williams .Her father William Henry Williams

    Where did Thomas G Wolstencroft go?
    No records at all, one that went to america but we think this is the Thomas G wolstencroft born in America
    Who is William ? no birth certificate as no idea where he came from? No Army records that lead him to my family
    Is there ANYWAY of finding William henry Williams birth certificate or even a marriage to Kate Jane in 1911-1912?
    Many Thanks
    Kemp

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    Hello

    You are looking for Thomas Gordon WOLSTENCROFT you know he married 1909, to assist in searching records for him, can you state hisapprox age in 1909 and who his father is! Both will be recorded on the 1909 marriage certificate.

    The same applies to William Henry WILLIAMS

    elsabels

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    This intrigued me

    Name: Thomas Gordon Wolstencroft
    Gender: Male
    Burial Date: 06 Nov 1909
    Burial Place: Lucknow, Bengal, India
    Death Date: 06 Nov 1909
    Death Place:
    Age: 29
    Birth Date: 1880
    Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B75042-6
    System Origin: India-EASy
    Source Film Number: 528128
    Reference Number:
    Collection: India Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948

    Do you have their marriage certicate?
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

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    Hi Elaine


    OMG!!!!! falls of chair
    Yes I have their marriage certificate Married 17th Feb 1909 hes down as a motor engineer and lived at 21 larkhall rise Clapham his father is Robert Wolstencroft a civil servant retiredhe was aged 29 !!

    Elaine how did you find this I,m totally amazed and really will never be able to thank you enough coz it looks like him. Why would he have been in India?

    Elsbels...I have NOTHING but this mans name William Henry Williams from his 4 childrens birth certificates which I have all. also his death certifiacte which I took pot luck at and got what seems the right one as Kate was there at his death!

    Now I,m really sorry for delay but my computer picked up a nasty virus from another site and that was that!!!

    Again Thank you so much for your help..any further help with William williams would be great

    Kemp

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    Found it on the IGI, I try and check the beta

    https://www.familysearch.org/

    and pilot search

    FamilySearch Record Search

    and I think it was the beta search but went no further. Was wondering if his father was abroad in the civil service at all, just a long shot.
    Have you got back on that chair yet!!!
    Elaine

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    1901 For everyone
    1901 Census
    WOLSTENCROFT, Robert
    WANDSWORTH, London
    RG13 piece 463 folio 86 page 22
    21, Larkhall Rise, Clapham

    WOLSTENCROFT, Robert Head Married M 58 1843 Clerk General Post Office
    Bury
    Lancashire
    WOLSTENCROFT, Ann Wife Married F 55 1846
    Brighton
    Sussex
    WOLSTENCROFT, Hilda M Daughter Single F 24 1877
    Penge
    Kent
    WOLSTENCROFT, Thomas G Son Single M 21 1880 Photographic Cabinet Maker
    Penge
    Kent
    WOLSTENCROFT, Janet A Daughter Single F 19 1882
    Clapham
    London VIEW
    WOLSTENCROFT, Dorothy A Daughter Single F 17 1884
    Clapham
    London
    WOLSTENCROFT, Agnes Daughter F 13 1888 Attending School
    Clapham
    London
    FOSTER, Hannah J Sister-In-Law Single F 46 1855 Teacher Of Dancing
    Brighton
    Sussex
    Elaine

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    Civil Service Evidence of Age entry
    First name(s): Robert
    Last name: WOLSTENCROFT
    Date of birth: 22 Oct 1842
    Place of birth: Chesham, Bury
    County of birth: Lancashire
    Country of birth: England
    Type of record: Birth
    Reference: 43220 054
    Elaine

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    This may be totally wrong, but following a hunch after 1901, found reference to a William Williams who is a clerk c 1877 born Leeds Yorkshire.

    This maybe him 1901... he has a middle initial
    RG13; Piece: 4241; Folio: 52; Page: 20
    30 Queens Arcade Leeds
    WILLIAMS, David Head Married M 58 1843 Confectioner
    Scotland
    WILLIAMS, Ann Wife Married F 57 1844
    Leeds
    Yorkshire
    WILLIAMS, Margaret Daughter Single F 26 1875
    Leeds
    Yorkshire
    WILLIAMS, William H Son Single M 22 1879 Commercial Clerk
    Leeds
    Yorkshire

    I just can't find a marriage to hold it together I'm afraid
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

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    Yes thats the Wolstencroft family ...and we think he married below himself which may answer why he was prehaps "sent to India". His father was a post office worker and on the 1911 census him and his wife do say they have children whom are born but died and the number would now include Thomas Wolstencroft.....So that now matches.
    Now Thomas "could" be my great grandad as I couldnt find my mums birth it was put under wolstencroft-williams and my nan declaired her father to be Thomas wolstencroft BUT only on her marriage certificate not her birth certificate ...what is the likely hood that my nans birth was left unregistered for a year to fit the Wolstencroft man as her father??!!
    Could you tell me how I can get Thomas Wolstencrofts death certificate?

    As for William That is great and I can now trace him and see if anything else matches with his family.There doesnt seem to have been a marriage of William Williams and Kate wolstencroft/pogson

    Thank you so much again and roll on the 1922 census as then PREHAPS I will be able to confirm Williams birth place ....hubby says I need a chair with arms so I dont fall off!!

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    I don't think they married within the time frame of the children being born. Am afraid I know nothing about obtaining his birth cert from India, I did google but don't know the best route, probably better to ask on a new thread and also google using your info to see what pops up...would love to know how you get on.

    There is a site called Random Acts of Geneological kindness where 2 people are willing to help in India but with my limited knowledge of states etc I don't think they are in the right area. Might be worth a quick message to ask for advice about obtaining the death cert.
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

    Census information Crown Copyright in Care of The National Archives

 

 

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