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    Exclamation Elizabeth Talyor

    I am stuck on Elizabeth Taylor who was born in Stockport Cheshire around 1827 [ on one census she did say Knutsford, Cheshire was her birth place] he married twice 1. In 1848 to John James Morton At Manchester Cathedral. In the presence of Alice Taylor and Eli Slate. Gives her father as Peter Taylor, carter. Their address is down as Heaton Norris. Stockport.
    2. Again in 1861 to George Robinson.
    Elizabeth now gives her father as Isaac Bowers, brickmaker. George is an overlooker. Witnesses; Joseph Burgess and Samuel Turner.
    I have found a Peter Taylor born in Stockport in 1803, also two Isaac Bowers, one born in Knutsford.
    None of the had a daughter Elizabeth, it is the same person all the record show that it is.
    Alan

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    Hello

    The link may be the witnesses on the 1848 marriage

    Eli SLATE is shown on th e1841 Census H107 582 4/35 12 Tatton St West Heaton Norris*, b 1831 s/o Samuel aged 45

    Marriage q1 1849 St James Didsbury Manchester Eli SLATE = Alice TAYLOR , sourcing the parish register entry will be cheaper than the marriage cert.

    In 1871 they have a nephew Samuel TAYLOR aged 13 living with them



    * this side of Stockport sometimes shown as being in Lancashire

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    How sure are you about this second marriage? do you think it could be wrong?
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    Census information Crown copyright from The National Archives

    Searching for Twizell, Brown & Storey from Northumberland. Kelly & Kinsella from Ireland, Parkinson from Lincolnshire. Mellor from Derbyshire and Jackson from Warwickshire.

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    Have you been working back from this data ?

    England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
    Name: George Robinson
    Year of Registration: 1861 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
    District: Stockport County: Cheshire, Lancashire
    Volume: 8a Page: 71
    Spouse Elizabeth Morton

    1871 England Census
    Name: George Robinson
    Age: 43 Estimated birth year: abt 1828
    Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Robinson
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Heaton Norris, Lancashire, England
    Civil Parish: Stockport Ecclesiastical parish: Stockport St Mary
    County/Island: Cheshire Country: England
    Registration district: Stockport
    Sub-registration district: Stockport Second ED, institution, or vessel: 8
    Household schedule number: 126
    George Robinson 43 Elizabeth Robinson 40
    Henry Morton 19

    1851 England Census
    Name: John James Morton
    Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1829
    Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Morton
    Gender: M (Male)
    Where born: Stockport, Cheshire, England
    Civil Parish: Stayley Ecclesiastical parish: Stayley County/Island: Cheshire
    Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne Sub-registration district: Mottram
    ED, institution, or vessel: 2e Household schedule number: 13
    John James Morton 22 Elizabeth Morton 22
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    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
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    Hello pejay

    H107 2239 41 74 Stayley
    MORTON John JAmes 22
    MORTON Elizabeth 22 both b Stockport

    1861RG 2570 53 27
    Newbridge Lane Stockport
    ROBINSON MAry b 79 Heaton Norris
    ROBINSON George b 32
    MORTON Elizabeth b32 Stockport
    MORTON Henry b 1851 Stockport

    1871 RG10 3664 152 21 Newbridge Lane
    ROBINSON George married
    ROBINSON Elizabeth
    MORTON Henrty

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    I found this christening for son Henry 1851 but I cannot find a BDM ref for a marriage between Elizabeth Taylor and John James Morton. Where did you find it ? The change in fathers surname name could be because her mother re-married. You need to find Elizabeth in the 1841 census and hope she is still living at home with her parents.

    Name: Henny MortonGender: Male
    Event Type: Christening
    Christening Date: 17 Aug 1851
    Christening Place: St Paul, Staleybridge, Cheshire, England
    Father's Name: John James Morton
    Mother's Name: Elizabeth Morton
    Principal's Residence: St. Paul, Staleybridge, Cheshire, England
    Image Number: 696
    Digital Folder Number: 4018383
    Film Number: 1656490
    Collection: England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000

    Do you have Henry's birth cert. to cross check mothers maiden name ?

    England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
    Name: Henry Morton
    Year of Registration: 1851 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
    District: Ashton Under Lyne County: Cheshire, Lancashire
    Volume: 20 Page: 114a
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

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    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    but I cannot find a BMD ref for a marriage between Elizabeth Taylor and John James Morton. Where did you find it ?
    On lancashirebmd.org.uk

    Spanner in the works again!

    The cheshirebmd.org.uk site indicates that George Robinson married Elizabeth MORTON /Elizabeth BOWERS 1861/1865 at St Paul Portwood Stockport as you have indicated the daughter of Isaac BOWERS. I would have expected to have found the name TAYLOR on as well with her father's name as Peter CARTER!

    The link may still be the witnesses at the first marriage

    Can you let us know how you get back to this, you have a private tree on A*******, looking at the public tree, the mystery seems to evolve around the parentage of Elizabeth b 1827, have you acquired the birth certificate of the person you are tracing to ELizabeth! This is also suggested by Noggin 28

    elsabels

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    Thanks for all that everyone, you have pretty much confirmed what I have found.
    John James Morton married Elizabeth Taylor at Manchester Cathedral on the 28 Aug 1848, he married as James Morton, his parents called three of their children John with different middle names, The christening record for there only child gives his name as John James. I know you are going to say I have the wrong marriage but everything else on that certificate fits ages birth place, they were living in Heaton Norris. He is down as a weaver .
    When Elizabeth and her son James turn up in Stockport, boarding with the Robinson's she is said to be a widow later when James marries his father is not listed as deceased on his marriage certificate and is said to be an innkeeper.
    I think the mother may of remarried to Isaac Bowers as it as been suggested, but there is no records [ Elizabeth's mother was a Elizabeth Broom b.? ] . Did she just live with him.
    Then we have the 1841 census record that shows a family of Bowers and Taylor's living in the same household in Duckinfield;
    Mary Bower, James Bower, Elizabeth Bower, Hannah Bower, Robert Bower William Bower, Noah Taylor, Joseph Taylor and William Foden. No Isaac.

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    Ran out of space . I do have the son James Morton's birth and marriage cert. It says Elizabeth formally Taylor. Father John James Morton weaver on his birth certificate.
    James marriage in 1875 say his father is James Morton [ James not John James, this must be the name his son knew him by] as I said above it says he is a innkeeper. He could have left the cotton trade after the 1861 census as this was the time of the Cotton Famine.

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    Alan

    Just to confirm are we talking BOWERS or BOWER or potentially both?

    elsabels

 

 

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