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    Default forster family history originally born in fermanagh ireland but liverpool 1850+

    I have been researching my family history for some time now and cannot get any further, I am aware that my great grandparents Robert Forster b.1811 and Alice b.1810 moved here along with there sons Joseph Forster b. 1848 and John Forster b.1836. both of the sons were born in ireland but i cannot trace what year that they moved to liverpool.
    Robert died in 1879.
    Joseph Forster married a Annie hughes b.1857, they were married in 1877 and had 6 children:
    Elizabeth Evangeline b.1884
    Josephine b.1891 m. 1921 d.1955 - Josephine electricuted herself with a faulty wire in iron
    Rachael b.1894
    Joe b. 1897
    Alfred b. 1899 d.1918 - died in the army
    John Frederick arnott Forster b.1903 m.1939 d.1966 (my Father)
    Another child Gwen Wynne also grew up with this family b.1901.

    The other son from Robert and Alice Forster was John. ( i believe John dropped the 'R' is forster so on some census it is foster)
    John married a welsh wife Elizabeth b.1837, they had 4 of their own children
    John b.1869
    William b.1872
    Robert b.1876
    Elizabeth b.1878
    The census also say that johns nephew William Forster b.1867 lives with them.

    I am unsure of what to do next but i would like more information of where or what to do next!
    I have listed below addresses that i am aware of where the above families lived:
    1877 76 gerard st, everton
    1881 53 Rupert Hill, Everton
    1891 41 Delta Street, Litherland
    1901 78 Dryden Street, Bootle
    1911 10 Ruthven Road, Litherland
    1914 17 Warburton Road, Seaforth
    1938 17 Warburton Road, Seaforth (occupied by Elizabeth)
    1940 Ruthven Road (occupied by Elizabeth and Rachel)

    I know there is alot of information here but any help would be greatly appreciated!!
    Thank you
    John Forster

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    I think this is Joesph with his parents Robert and Alice:

    1871 England Census
    Name: Robert Forster Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1811
    Relation: Head Spouse's name: Alice Forster
    Gender: Male Where born: Ireland
    Address 5 Tatlock Street Callow Terrace, Liverpool
    Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin Town: Liverpool
    Registration district: Liverpool Sub-registration district: St Martin
    ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Household schedule number: 235
    Robert Forster 60 Alice Forster 61
    Joseph Forster 24
    William Forster 4 (g/son father ?)
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    1881 England Census
    Name: John Foster Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1836
    Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Foster
    Mother's name: Alice Foster Gender: Male Where born: Ireland
    Civil Parish: Everton County/Island: Lancashire
    Street address: 53 Rupert Hill Occupation: Provision Warehouseman
    Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Everton
    ED, institution, or vessel: 4
    John Foster 45 Elizabeth Foster 44
    John A. Foster 12 William P. Foster 9 Robert H. Foster 5 Elizabeth J. Foster 3
    Alice Foster 71 mother
    William Foster 14 nephew - Joesph's son ? see 1871 census

    I cannot find any of the family before the 1871 census but William Foster 14 nephew was born in Liverpool in 1867 so they must have arrived around then, if not before.
    Last edited by noggin28; 26-01-2011 at 10:08 AM.
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    1871 England Census
    Name: John Foster Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1836
    Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Foster
    Gender: Male Where born: Ireland
    Civil Parish: St Clement County/Island: Lancashire
    Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
    ED, institution, or vessel: 57 Household schedule number: 101
    John Foster 35 Elizabeth Foster 32 (b Wales)
    John A Foster 2 Alice J Foster 1 Month
    Address: 12 Thames Street, St Clement, Liverpool
    States occ. Policeman
    Last edited by noggin28; 26-01-2011 at 09:54 AM.
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    This is the nearest birth I could find for William which would suggest they arrive between the census 1861 and 1866.

    England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
    Name: William Forster
    Year of Registration: 1866 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
    District: Liverpool (1837-1934) County: Lancashire
    Volume: 8b Page: 70
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    This is the best match I could find for a marriage for John:

    England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
    Name: John Foster Year of Registration: 1866
    Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
    District: West Derby County: Lancashire
    Volume: 8b Page: 481
    Spouse Elizabeth Jones
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    Your information is that Robert came from Fermanagh, though you don't know when he moved to Liverpool. If he was still in Ireland in 1862, you may be interested to know that there is a record of a Robert Foster renting a garden of 1 acre, 1 rood in Bunlougher townland (nearest significant town Lisnaskea).

    Griffith's Valuation

    He's the only Robert Foster in Griffiths. That doesn't mean it is your Robert, but if you have no other information, it might be something to use for further enquiries.

    There are no Forsters living in Bunlougher in the 1901 census.

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    Thank you for such a rapid response.

    Noggin - i think that you are spot on with what you say about when the family moved here, i think my next steps are to try and track a birth certificate for william, this will confirm who his parents are! (maybe josephs son or another brothers son?)

    Elwyn - Thanks for that info will keep it in mind for future reference, it's a good start for me, have been trying to find some record of them in Ireland but always is difficult and had no luck. if i could just get a positive starting point over in Ireland things may unfold.

    Thanks
    John

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    I made a typo in my previous post. The entry in Griffiths was for Robert Forster, not Foster. Sorry.

    Statutory records of births, deaths & marriages started in Ireland in 1864 (1845 for Protestant and Non-Conformist marriages). Prior to that you are heavily dependant on church records, where they exist. (Some have been lost, some are incomplete and some are not yet on line).

    To use church records effectively, because there’s no centralised index, ideally you need to know the ancestor’s exact religion, townland and parish in Ireland. (Otherwise it’s a needle in a haystack). You do at least know which county your ancestors came from. You need to try and narrow the search to a parish or townland. Good sources for this sort of information are military records, gravestones, family bibles, wills and obituaries.

    There were 92 Forster entries in Fermanagh in the 1901 census. If you want to look at them go to:

    National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911

 

 

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