Walter Fitzsimons

**jcoltee** · 17-01-2011 12:20 PM

Not sure whether here or Military board

Chasing Walter Fitzsimons who married Elizabeth Barton nee Tindall 8 Apr 1884 Hackney.Walter was 52,widower and gent. Father shown as Edward Jackson Fitzsimons-gent. The 1901 shows a Walter Fitzsimons of abt the right age born Ireland and widower. Trouble is Elizabeth is alive in 1901 and also shows as widow and using name Barton. Father(?) Edward Jackson Barton shows up in London Gazette 1857-1870 as being with 78 foot and South Lincolnshire Militia.Can not find Walter or father in any census prior to marriage.
I wonder if anyone can find any details re father origons?

Ed

**Geniegenie** · 17-01-2011 01:17 PM

Hi Ed

Irish Records Extraction Database

Name: Edward Jackson Fitzsimons
Sex: Male Marriage: 1827
Marriage Place: Diocese of Cork & Ross, County Cork, Ireland
Spouse: Mary Foott

I have transcribed a notice from Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser (Dublin, Ireland), 23 July 1861, which establishes that Edward Jackson Fitzsimmons was in Aberdeen in 1861.

NOTICE AND ADVERTISEMENT OF WRIT OF SUMMONS AND PLAINT

Issue in Actions against an incorporate Body, Railway Company, Poor Law Guardians & c.

Edward Jackson Fitzsimons, a Lieutenant in her Majesty’s 78th Regiment of Foot, at present stationed at Aberdeen, in that part of the United Kingdom called Scotland,
Plaintiff;
The Great Southern and Western Railway Company of Ireland, having their offices at Kings-bridge, in the County of the City of Dublin, Defendants.

NOTICE is hereby given, pursuant to the provisions of the Act 16, 1y, Victoria Chap. 113, Sec. 38, that a Writ of Summons and Plaint has been issued this day, at the suit of the said Edward Jackson Fitzsimmons, against the said Great Southern and Western Railway Company, in the Court of Queen’s Bench in Ireland. – Dated this twenty-second day of July, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-one…………….

**Geniegenie** · 17-01-2011 01:29 PM

I think that this is likely to be Walter’s first marriage

Groom's Name: Walter Fitzsimons
Bride's Name: Elizabeth Tarrant
Marriage Date: 20 Oct 1852
Marriage Place: St Paul, Dub, Ire
Groom's Father's Name: Edward Jackson Fitzsimons
Bride's Father's Name: Thomas Harkin Tarrant

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M70206-5
System Origin: Ireland-VR
Source Film Number: 101336
Reference Number: 2:3STQVN0
Collection: Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898

**jcoltee** · 17-01-2011 03:04 PM

Thanks genie

That is great.So the 1901 Walter Fitzsimons is probably mine even though Elizabeth was still alive.Strange that they both said widow(er).Marriage obviously a mistake.Edward Jackson retired from 78 Foot 31 Mar 1863 and appointed Lieutenant South Lincoln Militia 18 Jan 1870. I wonder where he died?
Question - what happens when military outside country on census day. Are they just missed?

Ed

**Geniegenie** · 17-01-2011 03:45 PM

Hi Ed,

It is a possibility that Edward died in Ireland – this link takes you to a small amount of info on an estate called “Ardvana” in Galway which states that an “Edward Jackson Fitzsimons” lived there during the 1860s

Estate Record: O'Flahertie (Lemonfield)

There are also the following entries on IGI –

Collection: Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958

Name: Edward Jackson Fitzsimons
Registration District: Limerick
Event Type: MARRIAGES
Registration Quarter and Year: 1864

Film Number: 101249
Volume Number: 20
Page Number: 240
Digital Folder Number: 4179382
Image Number: 00296

Collection: Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881

Name: Edward John Vize
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Place: 311, GALWAY, GAL, IRE
Birth Date: 29 Oct 1866
Birthplace: Galway, Gal, Ire
Father's Name: Edward Jackson Fitzsimons
Mother's Name: Eleonora O Donnell

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70130-1
System Origin: Ireland-VR
Source Film Number: 101138
Reference Number: 2:HQHCPP

Name: Laurence Ernest Knox Moore
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place: 549, NO 4 ST MICHAELS, LIM, IRE
Birth Date: 05 Dec 1869
Birthplace: No 4 St Michaels, Lim, Ire
Father's Name: Edward Jackson Fitzsimons
Mother's Name: Eleonora O Donnell

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70143-7
System Origin: Ireland-VR
Source Film Number: 101209
Reference Number: 2:2D03SCP

Ordinarily military personnel would be recorded on the census of the area they are in when it is taken - so you may be able to find Edward on 1861 Scottish Census.

**jcoltee** · 17-01-2011 11:19 PM

Is Edward Jackson 78 Foot the father or possibly a brother. Assuming that Walter was born abt 1830 then his father must have been born no later than 1805/06.The 1857 London Gazette has Edward becoming a lieutenant. The father would be 50+ yrs at that time.

**Geniegenie** · 18-01-2011 04:09 PM

Hi Ed

Pretty sure that Edward Jackson was the father - he would have been around late 50s early 60s when he married Eleonora and had the 2 further sons - she could of course, have been much younger than him - I have a gg grandfather who left the UK for Canada at the age of 71 married a 30 year old 2 years later and had a son at the age of 80!!!!!!

**jcoltee** · 20-01-2011 06:45 PM

Turns out that Walter was no gentleman when he married Elizabeth Barton. In 1862 he was convicted of insurance fraud and sentenaced to 18 months with hard labour. In 1874 he was declared bankrupt. Prior to marriage Elizabeth he married Elizabeth Tarrant 1852 Dublin. I would like to find names of children born abt 1854 and 1856 if possible. Not sure whether Dublin or Cork.

Ed

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