Thread: Captain John Morris 1822 to 1876

Good evening Robert - it makes a change to do some research on home ground.

To begin with I dont know if you have had a look at Sir Winston Churchills Questions in Commons speach of 27 May 1908. They have been listed in Hansard and their was a question raised in the House of Comons on this day on the Foreshore Dispute.

If you look up .......hansard.millbanksystems.com/people/mr-winston-churchill/1908 the details (small) are there

Also at the Centre for Kentish Studies, Sessions House, County Hall, Maidstone. ME14 1XQ . Telephone number: 01622 694 263 there are a number of records concerning the Foreshore Dispute and perhaps if you contacted them they might share information with you. The studies are linked to the University of Exeter.

Have you had a look at the Slaters Directory for 1880 - There is a lot of information about Cardiff in there in general and it may lead you to your family? Ps He is listed under Nobility and Gentry at 10 Park Place if its the right person !

This is a shot in the dark but Cardiff had a seamans hospital...

HOSPITAL FOR SEAMEN OF ALL NATIONS, H. M. Ship Hamadryad,' Old Dock Head- just maybe there are some records of injuries and diseases either in the library or at the New Record Office near the old football stadium. Dont know if you have been there recently? Address is ..

Glamorgan Archives -Clos Parc Morgannwg- Leckwith- CARDIFF - CF11 8AW
Telephone: (029) 2087 2200
Email: GlamRO@cardiff.gov.uk


Look under this reference there are details of the dispute...

BRITISH HISTORY ONLINE- Cardiff Council Minutes, 1894-1895

Cardiff Council Minutes: 1894-5', Cardiff Records: volume 5 (1905), pp. 203-219.

I just thought of something else. Cardiff Yesteryear books may have pictures and information. I looked on line for my family and found the book they were in and borrowed it from the library and copied the info. Sadly the author of these died the other day - so I dont know if someone else will carry the job on.

Good evening Robert- for the benefit of eveyone - is the right family?

1871 Morris living at 10 Dry Dock, Cardiff St Mary, Glamorganshire RG10/5363/F
Morris John 49 Head Seaman Chief Officer St Dogmals, Pembrokeshire
Francis 47 Wife Mates Wife St Dogmals, Permbrokeshire
Francis 20 Daughter Formerly Servant St Dogmals, Pembrokeshire
Liggie 17 Daughter General Servant St Dogmals, Pembrokeshire
Margaret 16 Daughter - Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Thomas 12 Son Blacksmith Shop Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Morris William 11 Son Blacksmith Shop Striker Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Morris Mary A 9 Daughter Scholar Cardiff,
Morris Ann 8 Daughter Scholar Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Morris Ellen 5 Daughter Scholar Cardiff, Glamorganshire

do you require any other census information?


These newspapers were current at the time..

South Wales Daily News, and Western Mail (daily), and the Cardiff Times, South Wales Weekly News, Weekly Mail, The Burgess (satirical paper), and Cardiff, Swansea, and Newport Shipping Gazette.
The new library in Cardiff have copies of each of these and it may be possible to search for any reported matters on John and his family and also the dispute . It will also have obituaries of the time .


also ..
http://www.cardiffians.co.uk/cardiffbay - has got photographs of Cardiff Docks

also.. very useful Welsh mariners site..
http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UK19thCSeamen.html

Dear Robert

The other directories that are in both Cradiff Library and the GRO are the Kelly’s, and Piggots and they cover the years in between census records and post 1901. They may only contain an odd line or so about the occupants residences or work positions but added together with other details can form a helpful timeline.

Do you know the ships names and years that John was in service?

Sea Captains had, and still do have powerful rights in the abscence of a chaplain over births marriages and deaths when at sea. Their word is law and they would have compiled records of those who sailed with them and where they went .

He would have taken exams to gain his position and his mariner record will be in Archives – do you have this information?

Have you been able to trace all the relations to present day?

Do you have Johns family BMD certificates?

Do you know where they are buried – is it possible they are in the Allenbank graveyard in Cathays? This is run by Cardiff City Council and I can let you have the address if you like, as my rellies are there too.

Cardiff Council will have minutes of meetings held at the GRO - it is possble that the Foreshore Dispute came up at some point.

The Duchess of Cornwall and Marquis of Bute records may hold some clues, as this was whom the dispute was with.

Was there a family bible somewhere or did Frances keep any records or diaries of the times she opened the gates and who she let through each night?

Records pre Cardiff may be in the Pembrokeshire record office seing as he was 30+ when he came to Cardiff.

I know that sounds a lot of things to look for but even if you get a few details off each of these it will gain to you a comprehensive time line. I will have another look tonight.

Good day Robert

The foreshoe dispute ended with a handwritten judgement sent to both governments. Dated June 10th 1857, If you can get into this record it has all the details but no family names mentioned im afraid.

http://www.duchyofcornwall.