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ok everyone have decided to resuurect my brick wall for its annual dust off. my problem is not that i cant ifnd them but that there are too many too choose from and no correborating proof as they are all so common names.
i have this family ( direct ancestors) in 1881. it all fits in with what i have been told/know about the family. surname appears a griffith and griffiths
Name: John Griffith Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Spouse's name: Mary
Where born: Llanerchdd, Anglesey, Wales
Civil parish: Amlwch
County/Island: Anglesey
Street Address: Grogangoch <<<<< note street address
Occupation: Genl Laborer
Sub-registration district: Amlwch
Household Members: Name Age
John Griffith 42 born Llanerchdd
Mary Griffith 36 born amlwch
John Griffith 15 born festiniog
William Griffith 10 <<< great grandad born llandbadrig
Jane Griffith 6 born amlwch
David Owen Griffith 3 born amlwch
Elizth. Griffith born amlwch
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5590; Folio: 72; Page: 14; Line:
i am trying to work backwards from them and here comes the problems. i have been and seen the gravestone of this family and in the grave are buried john and mary and son john and also elizabeth HUGHES described as the mother of mary.
I have obtained a birth certificate for jane elias griffith born 1875 - address grogangoch and it has mother mary griffiths formerly JONES.
i have also been given a birth certificate for william from a family member dated 1929 and been in the family since then. mother is mary griffiths formerly JONES and address is ty bach, llanbadrig. but it is for a birth year of 1868.i have the burial card for william from 1930 when his age is given as 57 making his birth date 1873 ( his gravestone only gives date of death) and his granddaughter seems to think that is correct birthdate. I also cannot find him with what i think is the family in llanbadrig in 1871 census. i therefore thought that perhaps someone in 1929 got the wrong certificate somehow. william "married" but i cant find marriage so we suspect he didnt. but the marriage would only give fathers name and occupation which we already know.
i was also given a birth cert of david owen griffith( dated from 1998) . this certifcate gives him born 05 oct 1877 with father william and mother mary griffiths formerly ROBERTS. it does not fit in with grogangoch address though. they were there for birth of jane in 1875 and 1881 census so thought address would have been grogangoch in 1878 too. it says gatehouse, pentol , anglesey.
elizabeth is given as 6 months in 1881 so that puts her birth around sept 1880. looking for her birth brings up one elizabeth born march 1880 - bit early or an ellin elizabeth born dec qtr 1880. she was always referred to as elizabeth and never mentioned another name.
looking for johns birth has been difficult too. in 1881 it says born festiniog - no idea why they would be there but... in 1871 says born llanbadrig if i have right family. in 1891 and 1901 he says amlwch for birthplace. there are loads of johns to chose from for anglesey.
this is the 1871 i think might be them
Name: John Griffiths Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Where born: Llanbadrig, Anglesey, Wales
Civil parish: Llanbadrig
Ecclesiastical parish: Bangor
Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Llandyfrydog
John Griffiths 29 born llanbadrig
Mary Griffiths 27 born amlwch
John Griffiths 4 born llanbadrig
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5746; Folio: 16; Page: 10;
so what is marys maiden name ???? (hughes/jones/roberts ??? what about a marriage? why is her mother elizabeth HUGHES (perhaps marys mum elizabeth remarried a hughes later in life?)
i have other bits of info but not sure if they are needed. jane and elizabeth both went to usa as teenagers. i am in touch with janes descendants who have no info about her parents. John junior was suspected murdered in 1904 and i have newspaper cuttings about his inquest etc but they only mention his wife jane parry and his wifes brother. david died in albion mine disaster aged 17 and i have his death cert, but it gives no further info re family. william died on wirral.
this is the translation of the gravestone in llanelian cemetary from welsh if it is any help to you
In loving memory of John Griffiths of Pentre felin amlwch
who died 02 march 1898 Aged 55 years
Also John his son Who died 11 sept 1904 Aged 38 years old
Also Mary Griffith loving wife of the above who died 20 Nov 1883 Aged 41 years
Also her mother Elizabeth Hughes Who died Dec 31 1890 Aged 72 years
The opening of this tombstone is not permitted without the permisson of Elizabeth Griffiths.
(daughter elizabeth went to usa and made quite a bit of money and when she came back to visit erected this gravestone later). after mary died john remarried to a margaret - possibly hughes, which doesnt help. she was not liked by any of the children and i think the comment about opening the grave was so that margaret was not buried there. i did wonder if the elizabeth hughes was margarets mother but thought it was unlikely she would be buried there and that daughter elizabeth would have added that inscription. one slight thing is that where mary is inscribed on the gravestone there obviously was a mistake made and they had to remove the original inscriotion and put mary instead. the original word was longer.
sorry for the long waffle but trying to give as much relevant info as possible.
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