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    Default Birth record for William Short, born Coldstream, Berwickshire 1838

    Another one from me, I'm afraid. I'm trying to focus on specific records in these posts, in the hope I can stay on track a bit better. My other threads have turned up staggering amounts of useful information (for which I'm extremely grateful), but haven't answered the main questions I intended to address. I'm hoping focused questions will help.

    So, I'm looking for a birth record for William Short in Coldstream (or very close) in 1838 (or very, very close). Below are two census records which I believe show William and his family. The first eliminates anyone born after the 1841 Scotland census (and most of the contenders), the second shows William with his uncle John Short, and the person I believe to be his mother, Mary Short. At this point I believe William was illegitimate, although his marriage record lists his father as Edward Short, Land Agent. I'm open to the possibility that he wasn't illegitimate, but at this point I don't think it's likely. Edward is probably fictional, or at the very least probably isn't really a Short.

    Record 1:
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    Name: Wm Short
    Age: 2
    Estimated birth year: abt 1839
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Berwickshire, Scotland

    Civil Parish: Coldstream
    County: Berwickshire
    Address: Coldstream Loan Cottage
    Parish Number: 733
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Mary Short 55
    Leonard Short 30
    Thos Short 25
    Wm Short 20
    Margt Short 15
    Wm Short 2

    Source Citation: Parish: Coldstream; ED: 1; Page: 17; Line: 600; Roll: ; Year: 1841.


    Record 2:
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    Name: William Short
    Age: 12
    Estimated birth year: abt 1839
    Relationship: Nephew
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Coldstream, Berwickshire
    Parish Number: 733
    Civil Parish: Coldstream
    Town: Coldstream
    County: Berwickshire
    Address: Loan House
    Occupation: Scholar
    ED: 1
    Page: 1
    Household schedule number: 4
    Line: 11
    Roll: CSSCT1851_196
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    John Short 21
    Mary Short 35
    William Short 12

    Source Citation: Parish: Coldstream; ED: 1; Page: 11; Line: 1; Roll: 764; Year: 1851.

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    Incidentally, both records relate to the same physical building, and everyone in both records is related.

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    Nearest I could find, only link maybe Leonard. How did you get to the birth date of 1838 or the 1841/51 census?

    Name: William Short
    Gender: Male
    Baptism/Christening Date: 24 Nov 1844
    Baptism/Christening Place: COLDSTREAM, BERWICK, SCOTLAND
    Birth Date: 20 Oct 1844
    Father's Name: Leonard Short
    Mother's Name: Margaret Wallace
    Mother's Birthplace:
    Mother's Age:
    Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11733-5
    System Origin: Scotland-VR
    Source Film Number: 1067871
    Reference Number: 2:15WQKS3
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    Sorry Noggin, that's not the one, that's his cousin, I've found that William in later records, marrying Isabella Leyden and living in Hawick.

    The birth date is from his marriage and death certificates, both of which have him born 1837-38, and the birth place is from later census records, which say either "Coldstream, Scotland", or simply "Scotland". These are they:

    1861
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    Name: William Short
    Age: 22
    Estimated birth year: abt 1839
    Relation: Boarder
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Scotland

    Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth
    Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
    County/Island: Durham
    Country: England

    Registration district: Sunderland
    Sub-registration district: South Bishop Wearmouth
    ED, institution, or vessel: 15
    Neighbors: View others on page
    Household schedule number: 419
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    James Grey 32
    Helen Grey 28
    Mary Jane Grey 10
    Margaret Grey 7
    John Grey 5
    George Grey 2
    William Short 22

    Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3775; Folio: 67; Page: 68;

    1871
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    Name: William Short
    Age: 31
    Estimated birth year: abt 1840
    Relation: Head
    Spouse's name: Ann Short
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Coldstream, Scotland
    Civil Parish: Sunderland
    Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
    Town: Sunderland
    County/Island: Durham
    Country: England
    Registration district: Sunderland
    Sub-registration district: East Sunderland
    ED, institution, or vessel: 4
    Household schedule number: 204
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    William Short 31
    Ann Short 26
    William Short 4
    Alexander D Short 1 Year, 6 Months
    Ann Gage 78

    Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5014; Folio: 58; Page: 34;

 

 

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