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    AA Member Newbie chrismersea is an unknown quantity at this point
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    Exclamation Ernest hamilton williams

    Hello,

    My brickwall concerns the following:

    My grandfather ERNEST HAMILTON WILLIAMS was born on 2nd January 1885 at 67 Brighton Road, South Hornsey, Middlesex.

    His parents were ERNEST ALFRED WILLIAMS and ANNIE KANE HAMILTON. This couple was married at Holy Trinity, Dalston, Hackney on April 27th 1884. Annie’s age is given as 16, giving a birth year of 1867/8, consistent with the age given in each census. The 1891 census states that she was born in Holloway, London and I know that in 1881 Ernest was living and working in Liverpool so where did they meet?

    The family can be found on the censuses of 1891 and 1901. Ernest and Annie’s first son was named Ernest Hamilton Williams, mother’s name Annie Williams formerly Hamilton. The second son was named Percy Kane Williams, mother’s name Annie Williams formerly Kane.

    The marriage certificate gives her father’s name as THOMAS HENRY KANE HAMILTON, a solicitor. The address from which she was married was13 Lenthall Rd, Hackney. I checked the census of 1881, 3 years before the marriage and found no Hamiltons at this address. However one of the two families living there is headed by Arthur Browne, a solicitor’s bill clerk.

    One of the witnesses at the wedding was ELIZA HAMILTON who can also be seen on the censuses of 1891 and 1901 living with the Williams family (shown as Eliza A Hamilton). In 1891 she is shown as aunt and in 1901 as grandmother to wife. Her age is given as 60 and 70 and her birthplace as Hackney. She was a widow.

    In the census for 1911, Eliza Hamilton appears to have become Eliza McGill!

    On the death certificate for Eliza A Hamilton she is shown as grandmother to Annie Williams who was the informant of the death. The certificate says she was the widow of ___Hamilton, Actor. The certificate also reveals that the A was for Ann. Her age at death was consistent with the ages given in the censuses and indicates a birth date of around 1830. This implies, if she was indeed Annie’s grandmother, and if Annie was born in 1867, that she was a grandmother by the age of 37.

    I can find no trace of Annie, Thomas Henry or Eliza A before the wedding in 1884. Please can you help?

    Possible red herrings are:
    * Census entry 1881 for Eliza A Hamilton and Annie ?Kane, transcribed by Ancestry as Keene. This shows Eliza, possibly a, Hamilton widow aged 46 born Islington with Annie possibly Kane/Keene niece aged 15 born St Pancras. They are living at 81 Devonshire Road, Upper Holloway.
    * IGI entry for marriage of Eliza ADELAIDE BURNELL and JOSEPH HAMILTON on 20 March 1852 at St Pancras Old Church. (Mar 1852 St Pancras 1B 124)
    * Entry found in A******* for Thomas Henry Kane, solicitor in Dublin, 1881.

    Hoping you can do better than I have!
    Chris
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    To answer one of your question Ernest must have left the family and moved from Liverpool to the London area between 1881/84. His parents are still in Liverpool in 1891.

    1881 England Census
    Name: Ernest Williams Age: 20
    Estimated birth year: abt 1861 Relation: Son
    Father's name: Edward Williams Mother's name: Jane Williams
    Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
    Street address: 87 Roscoe St
    Occupation: Lithographic Writer
    Edward Williams 50 Jane Williams 50
    Ernest Williams 20
    Peter Williams 18
    Elizabeth Williams 15
    Emma Williams 13

    1891 England Census
    Name: Edwd Williams Age: 59
    Estimated birth year: abt 1832
    Relation: Head Spouse's name: Jane Williams
    Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
    Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
    Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire
    Street address: Roscoe St
    Occupation: Block mast maker
    Edwd Williams 59 Jane Williams 65
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    this refers to the thomas henry kane in dublin - red herring???

    MOUNT JEROME CEMETERY, DUBLIN.

    In | Loving Memory | of | THOMAS HENRY KANE | who died on the 10th May 1881 |
    aged 44 years. | “Blessed are the dead which die | in the Lord even so saith the
    Spirit | for they rest from their labours | and their works do follow them.” |
    also his wife | ANNIE VICTORIA KANE | died 4th September 1924. | “At rest” | and
    of their daughter | MARY LEONORE CONNER | who died on the 2nd of August 1956.

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    Have you got a note of this one 1881 RG11 piece 1719 folio 40 page 22
    HAYERTY, James Head Married M 31 1850 Chemical ? (Mf) Warwick
    Warwickshire
    HAYERTY, Ann Wife Married F 38 1843 Snowland
    Kent
    HAMILTON, Annie Step Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar Stratford
    Essex
    HAYERTY, James Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar West Ham
    Essex
    HAYERTY, Harry Son Single M 3 1878 ScholarWest Ham
    Essex
    HAYERTY, Kate Daughter Single F 1 1880 West Ham
    Essex

    It should be Hegarty although there is a ditto for Ann's surname, if you look at the census it says Hamilton in faint writting
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

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    Hi Chris

    I found your thomas with family 1871 and 1861 but the spelling is Keene and it was the same on the original!

    this is the 1851= but no parents on the page?
    1851 keene HO107/1566/~F256 Prisoner For Debt, Newington, East Surrey

    Sarah Elizabeth

    24

    Daug
    -
    Guilford, Surrey




    Frederick

    21

    Son
    Auctioneer
    Guilford, Surrey




    Caroline Hannah

    18

    Daug
    -
    Guilford, Surrey




    Thomas

    16

    Son
    Scholar
    Newington, Surrey




    William

    14

    Son
    Scholar
    Newington, Surrey
    'Census information CrownCopyright, in care of TNA'

    Kind regards......................... Bandit

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    Following on from Bandit, have a marriage for you???

    Name: Thomas Keene
    Age: 26
    Estimated birth year: abt 1835
    Spouse Name: Mary Ann Watson
    Spouse Age: 21
    Record Type: Marriage
    Marriage Date: 03 Jan 1861
    Parish: St Leonard, Streatham
    County: Surrey
    Borough: Lambeth
    Father Name: John Keene
    Spouse Father Name: Charles Watson

    Thomas is a solicitor and his father John Keene Gentleman. Quite happy to send you the image.
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

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    In 1881, this Thomas is in St Pancras married to Mary Ann and at no time are there any children

    RG11; Piece: 192; Folio: 30; Page: 9
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

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    Results for: British Isles
    Father: John Keene, Mother: Sarah
    Batch Number: C039391
    International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 2
    1. THOMAS KEENE - International Genealogical Index
    Gender: Male Christening: 28 AUG 1835 Holy Trinity, Newington, Surrey, England
    2. WILLIAM HENRY KEENE - International Genealogical Index
    Gender: Male Christening: 12 NOV 1837 Holy Trinity, Newington, Surrey, England
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

    Census information Crown Copyright in Care of The National Archives

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    Hi Chris I think this summarises your basic information with A COUPLE OF ?
    Grandmother of Annie-Eliza Hamilton born Hackney in 1830
    Father of Annie – Thomas Henry Kane Hamilton born in ?place? profession solicitor

    Earnest A Williams born Liverpool in 1863
    Married
    Annie Kane Hamilton born 1867 in Holloway
    Children
    Earnest Hamilton William born 1885 in Stoke Newington
    Percy Kane William born 1887 in Stoke Newington
    Albert William born 1888 in Stoke Newington
    so far I have found Eliza in....
    1851 Eliza Hamilton age 23 visitor born Hackney 1828 living at 2 St Anns Place, Limehouse, Middlesex with a family of Bunsmeat's
    'Census information CrownCopyright, in care of TNA'

    Kind regards......................... Bandit

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    I have found a tree with John Keene and Sarah Lassam.
    Children
    John 1825-1877
    Frederick 1830-
    Caroline Harriett 1833-1904
    William Henry 1839

    but still can't find the Hamilton angle
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

    Census information Crown Copyright in Care of The National Archives

 

 

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