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    Exclamation BEST or CHEERS

    BEST or CHEERS

    Great Grandfather – not that far off in time but so hard to pin down!

    He was supposedly named Harry Best from around the London area and grew up in a “Home”. My g.g parents took her mother’s maiden name of Cheers to be known by hence him adding the Cheers component to the marriage document. All the children had the name of Cheers. (see below)

    He was actually a pianist at one of the local theatres as I have a copy of an employment contract under the name of Harry Cheers – not his father as shown on the marriage cert.

    It is unknown where the dental mechanic component came from as no-one recalls this piece of information as fact only hearsay. Searches utilising this have come up fruitless.

    d.o.b. c.1874

    Marriage Cert states:

    Harry Best Cheers 52 years Bachelor Dental Mechanic Carmenthen Harry Cheers (deceased) Musical Director
    Alice Totty 35 years Spinster Nil Occ. Carmenthen James Totty Railway Signalman
    Witnesses: Sidney G Smith and Margaret C or E Smith (so not very helpful)

    Ref = Marriages Mar 1926 (>99%)
    Cheers Harry B Totty Carmarthen 11a 1631
    Death Reg

    Name: Harry B Cheers
    Death Registration Month/Year: 1926
    Age at death (estimated): 53
    Registration district: Haverfordwest
    Inferred County: Pembrokeshire
    Volume: 11a
    Page: 1236


    Unable to locate in any census’s at all – have g.gm’s census records up to and incl. 1911 and he is not with her then. She was born in Birkenhead in 1889 and was at Beckwith St, Birkenhead in 1911 aged 21.

    Somewhere between 1911 and 1913 they met and moved to Cardiff. They had their first child in 1914, Cardiff, Wales and last child in 1923, Haverfordwest. 4 children in all and all born in Wales.

    They only married prior to death due to the illness he suffered (so the ‘story’ goes) but one does wonder if he was already married and due to the illness decided to marry regardless.

    I have tried the likes of Barnados and other children’s homes around the London districts to no avail. I have tried the Barry library to see if anything showed in any property/tenancy/electoral records – no luck, passenger & crew lists to see if he was employed as an entertainer on board (“talk” has it that he may have done so), tried war records still no luck. Each census record I have looked at seems to lead to traceable families. I have one photo of him at approx. 30yrs of age I would say and his stance is quite good which leads us to believe he had some institutionalised education whether in the form of Armed Forces or like and googling Best or Cheers does not help in the slightest as multitudes of people sign off on sites with Best Wishes, Cheers etc.!!

    So my one vital bit of info missing is his birth registration – have marriage cert, all children’s birth certs, death reg only, photo of grave – just want that last bit to keep moving back with this one.

    If anyone is able to assist or locate something I have overlooked that would be very much appreciated.

    Kind Regards

    Carol

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    Have found an entry on a******* with regards to Harry

    Name: Harry BEST or BELL
    Sex: M
    Birth: 1874 in London
    Death: 21 OCT 1926 in Haverfordwest, Wales of Throat cancer
    Occupation: 1920 Cinema Musical Director
    Elaine

    Looking for Moore/Ward mainly Leicester, Elsden/Elsdon Essex way and where is Gertrude Wills???

    Census information Crown Copyright in Care of The National Archives

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    Hi Elaine

    Think I twig to where that entry came from - have a rellie in UK who is also trying to seek him out, we have been trying to locate him for some time - no-one else is aware of the Bell component (that bit was once a possible from an elderly family member but now known not to be correct).

    Interested in your Wards tho - have Wards from Leicestershire that married into bradshaws, sherratts and Price's 1870's back!! Is this the same area?

    Many thanks

    Carol

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    I'm getting a little confused here, what are the connection between the families below?


    122 Beckwith St Birkenhead
    Joseph Jones 1873 Platelayer Tramways Saltney Flintshire
    Frances Jones1873 Birkenhead
    Elenor Jones 1897 Birkenhead
    Joseph Cheers 1878 Billiard Table Repairer Birkenhead**
    Alice Totty 1890 Birkenhead Cheshire*
    * niece to who ?
    ** brother in law to who ?

    1901 England Census
    Name: Alice C Totten[Alice C Tottey]
    Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1890
    Relation: Daughter
    Father's name: Jas A Totten Mother's name: Sarah A Totten
    Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
    Civil Parish: Hoylake Cum West Kirby
    Ecclesiastical parish: St Bridget County/Island: Cheshire
    Country: England
    Street address: 13 Birkett Road
    Occupation: Father signalman railways
    ED, institution, or vessel: 10
    Household schedule number: 76
    Jas A Totten 37 b West Kirby
    Sarah A Totten 32 b Scotland
    Alice C Totten 11
    There is another family of Totty's at 11 Birkett Road, Head Joseph age 71b West Kirby
    Just looked on the 1871 census and Joseph is James father.

    I live in Hoylake, if you need any local help PM me. I think Brikett Road is still in existance, now classified has being in West Kirby.
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    Think I might have worked part of the puzzle, Joseph is the son of Frances Jones who marriage Joseph Jones in 1896. Is Alice Cheers the Alice Totty shown as niece, it so why is she refered to as Totty ?

    1891 England Census
    Name: Joseph Cheers Age: 12
    Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Son
    Father's name: Edward Cheers Mother's name: Frances Cheers
    Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
    Civil Parish: Birkenhead Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Cheshire
    Street address: 8, St Anne Street, Birkenhead
    ED, institution, or vessel: 21
    Edward Cheers 49 Frances Cheers 47
    Sarah Ann Cheers 22 Mary Cheers 21 Joseph Cheers 12
    Alice Cheers 1


    England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
    Name: Frances Cheers
    Year of Registration: 1895
    Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
    District: Birkenhead (1861-1998)
    County: Cheshire, Merseyside
    Volume: 8a Page: 804
    Spouse: Joseph Jones

    England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
    Name: Edward Cheers
    Estimated birth year: abt 1842
    Year of Registration: 1893
    Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
    Age at Death: 51
    District: Birkenhead (1861-1998)
    County: Cheshire, Merseyside
    Volume: 8a Page: 349
    Last edited by noggin28; 17-12-2010 at 01:16 PM.
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    Hi - I think this is Alice with parents ..prior to wedding in 1926
    1901 Tottey RG13/3387/~F130 13 Birkett Road, Hoylake Cum West Kirby, Cheshire

    James A 37

    Head
    Signalman Railway
    West Kirby, Cheshire

    Sarah A 32

    Wife -
    Birkenhead, Cheshire

    Alice C 11

    Daughter
    - Birkenhead, Cheshire
    Last edited by Elsabels; 17-12-2010 at 01:52 PM. Reason: per post #7
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    sorry it was 1901 for Alice
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    Kind regards......................... Bandit

    Researching : Cole : Poole / Wimborne -Vick: Christchuch / Wimborne-Martin : Wimborne / Bristol / Cardiff - Coombes: Bristol -Covering: 1762 - present day so far -Trades: cobblers, seamen, umbrella makers, milliners, painters and decorators and tailors

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    Frances was not a Totty so this does not explain Alice the niece. Could she be a niece to Joseph Jones ?

    England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
    Name: Edward Cheers
    Year of Registration: 1867
    Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
    District: Wirral (1837-1974) County: Cheshire
    Volume: 8a Page: 619
    Spouse: Frances Lewis
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    and I just realised this was the same as Noggins = sorry
    'Census information CrownCopyright, in care of TNA'

    Kind regards......................... Bandit

    Researching : Cole : Poole / Wimborne -Vick: Christchuch / Wimborne-Martin : Wimborne / Bristol / Cardiff - Coombes: Bristol -Covering: 1762 - present day so far -Trades: cobblers, seamen, umbrella makers, milliners, painters and decorators and tailors

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    England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
    Name: James Alfred Tottey
    Year of Registration: 1893
    Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
    District: Birkenhead (1861-1998)
    County: Cheshire, Merseyside
    Volume: 8a Page: 734
    Spouse: Sarah Ann Cheers.

    So is Alice the daughter of Frances or Sarah Ann Cheers before she married James Totty.

    Looking at the 1891 census in post 5# I think Sarah Ann is Frances and Edwards daughter and Alice is their G/daughter the child of Sarah.

    Not what you were asking for but now I know the link between Alice and Harry Best Cheers and where the name came from.

    This looks like Alice's birth reg so unless James Totty adopted her she also married under a change surname.
    England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
    Name: Alice Cheers Year of Registration: 1890
    Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
    District: Birkenhead (1861-1998)
    County: Cheshire, Merseyside
    Volume: 8a Page: 470
    Last edited by noggin28; 17-12-2010 at 02:31 PM.
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

 

 

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