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    Exclamation Mary Ann Lepine

    I cannot trace the birth of my great-grandmother, Mary Ann Lepine. I have found her marriage certificates (06.09.1903 to John Houston, aged 22, and 26.08.1920 to Charles Lucas, aged 37 or 39) and her death certificate (19.09.1941, aged 57), but cannot find her birth certificate.

    In the 1891 census, she is shown as 6 years old, living with Adam and Dinah Lepine, in Poplar, East London. I think these were actually her grandparents (although the record lists them as parents) and that her mother was Elizabeth Lepine. I also think Mary Ann was illegitimate. The details of her father on the 2 marriage certificates are not the same: the first shows him as William Lepine and the second as John Thomas Lepine.

    In the 1891 census, all the rest of the family apart from Dinah are shown as being born in Poplar, but Mary Ann is listed as born in Paddington.

    There is only 1 Mary Ann Lepine born in Poplar at about the right time (1880) and I know that this is not my great-grandmother, as I have been in touch with her great-granddaughter and she married a different man at the same time that my Mary Ann married John Houston. She also lived with her daughter in later life and did not die until the 60s.

    I live in Cheshire so cannot easily access the records to trawl through them indivually. I have considered that Mary Ann may not have been her first name and so have purchased several birth certificates from the time and area, but to no avail.

    I would be really grateful if anyone here could help me to trace her birth certificate, as I need to know what information it contains (although I am aware that the father's name may be missing or even fictitious!)

    Thank you.

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    If you look on the free BMD site there is a birth for a Louisa Mary A Lepine 1st qr 1887 Hackney 1b 587 would this be her? the age would be approx with the 1891 census. Lepine is an unusual name. Have you tried the guild of one name studies?



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    The same Louisa Mary Ann married Frederick Samuel Girling .
    Last edited by Hazelnut; 14-12-2010 at 07:18 PM. Reason: amended info

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    hi RE MARY ANN LEPINE

    i have been looking on the census anf found the following

    1881 census
    1851 b Poole- servant
    1825 b middlesex -wife
    1842 b Clerkenwall - wife

    1891 census
    1864 b Chatham

    1901 census
    1830 b marlebone - wife
    1846 b Warwickshire - head
    1842 b Plumstead - other in law

    On the BMD transcripts there are these ..
    1903 MARIAGE APRIL- JUNE Q DISTRICT POPULAR -HUSBAND EITHER LEONARD BULL OR JOHN DENNIS
    1903 MARIAGE JULY - SEPT Q DISTRICT POPULAR- JOHN HOUSTON OR GEORGE KITCHENER

    I am going to look at her parents now
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    HI - please disregard the BMD bit above- it is as follows - sorry

    MARRIAGE OF MARY ANN LEPINE - 1903

    JULY - SEPT Q - POPULAR 1C 967

    APRIL - JUNE Q MILE END 1C 730
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    Hi - this info is to confirm your stated facts
    1881 Lepine RG11/0511/~F124 55 Stebondale Street, Poplar, Middlesex

    Adden

    46

    Head
    Labourer Iron Work
    Bethnal Green, Middlesex




    Dinah

    42

    Wife
    -
    Bethnal Green, Middlesex




    Thomas

    29

    Son
    Earthenware Printer
    Poplar, Middlesex




    Sarah

    13

    Daughter
    Scholar
    Poplar, Middlesex




    Isaac

    10

    Son
    Scholar
    Poplar, Middlesex




    Georgina

    8

    Daughter
    -
    Poplar, Middlesex


    1891 LEPINE RG12/0236/~F85 4 Bridgewater Place, St Botolph Without Aldersgate, London BOTH BORN IN London
    Lepine
    John

    70

    Head
    Printer




    Lepine
    Elizabeth

    50

    Wife
    Gunmaker





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    Hi are we to assume you mean there was 2 mariages - 1903 to John Houston and another 1920 to Charles Lucas and that she died as Mary ann Lucas
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    Hi
    Yes, that is correct. I have the 2 marriage certificates and her death cert but cannot trace her birth cert.
    Thanks

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    Hello spursgirl

    The details of her father on the 2 marriage certificates are not the same: the first shows him as William Lepine and the second as John Thomas Lepine.
    The 1903 marriage certificate to John HOUSTON shows father Will crossed out and Thomas LE PINE with what looks like D.E.D which could mean deceased, but I am uncertain whther this means Will /Thomas

    Mary is 22 , b circa 1881

    witnesses: EA PAUL MD *****Y

    The 1920 certificate shows Mary Ann HOUSTON d/o John Thomas LEPINE dec'd

    Mary is 37 b circa 1883

    witnesses: Henry J JAMES / JONES Phoebe WALKER


    There is an on line marriage for Thomas William LEPINE b 1866 s/o Adam LEPINE = Sarah Rebecca Ann DELL 25/12/1887 St John Cubitt Town
    Thomas died 1890 Sarah remarried 1892 Wm McNEIL

    Having found this, Sarah McNEIL is linked to a tree with Adam Lepine information on!

    Conclusion MAry ANN LE PINE could be an illeg child b circa 1881- 1883, albeit the 1881 census shows her as being b 1885
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