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    Default James Finigan, born London 1846, lived in Liverpool in 1881 census

    Hi,

    I'm hoping someone will be able to help me with information about my great-great grandfather, James Finigan. The only records I have for him are an entry in the 1881 census for Liverpool, which gives his place of birth as London (though the same census record lists his son Thomas as 23 and a labourer when he was actually 2, so I'm not sure how much stock to put in that) and his marriage certificate to Elizabeth Robinson in Liverpool in 1875.

    There is a family story that James's children, Thomas and Charlotte Finigan, were orphans and were sent to separate poor schools. Thomas was sent to a school in Liverpool (I believe it to have been Nash Grove, as I think I have him there in the 1891 census), while Charlotte was sent to Ireland (I've been unable to identify where, but probably somewhere in Northern Ireland).

    James's marriage certificate states that his father was Thomas Finigan, and that James was a widower, so there will be a previous marriage, but whether in Liverpool or London I don't know.

    I've been unable to find any evidence of death for James or his wife (nothing I can conclusively prove, at any rate), and I'm starting to think they might have emigrated and left the children behind.

    That's the background. What I'm really after is anything that could tell me a) what happened to James and Elizabeth in the 1880s, and b) who James was married to previously, where, and when. Any information on James's parents would be awesome, but I think I'm pushing my luck there.

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    Hello Orinoco77

    Do you have the 1881 census reference number plese


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    I have found the census, in the household ar 3 ROBINSON children listed as boarders, pre Elizabeth is the nother, then there is THOMAS single unmarried 23 Labourer b Toxteth Park, and finally a baby Charlotte, therefore Thomas appears to be an Adult.....

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    Name:Charlotte Ann FiniganGender:FemaleBirth Date:abt 1881Christening Date:9 Jan 1881Christening Place:West Derby, Lancashire, EnglandFather's name:James FiniganMother's name:Elizabeth

    1901 in london
    Name:Charlotte A FiniganAge:23Estimated birth year:abt 1878Relation:ServantGender:FemaleWhere born:Liverpool, Lancashire, EnglandCivil Parish:FulhamEcclesiastical parish:St OswaldTown:LondonCounty/Island:London
    Registration district:FulhamSub-registration district:North East Fulham Household schedule number:7Household Members:NameAgeEliza Thomas63Ellen M Thomas32Maude E Thomas30Arthur G Thomas28Emily Moule23Helen Dixon68Charlotte A Finigan23Ellen Search19


    Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 61; Folio: 64; Page: 2

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    Appears being the key word. James was only 35 during that census, and his wife was 37. Thomas is listed as their son. I think it's stretching credulity to believe that James and Elizabeth had a son aged 12 and 14 respectively, and then waited until their 30s to have a further daughter. This is what I meant by saying I was dubious of the census information. The names are right, and I have birth records for both Thomas and Charlotte that give their parents as James Finigan and Elizabeth Finigan nee Robinson. Charlotte's details are correct, she was born a couple of months before the census took place, but Thomas's appear to be nonsense.

    I believe the Robinsons in that census record are Elizabeth's nephews and nieces (or possibly cousins), though I haven't confirmed that yet. Elizabeth was a spinster at her marriage to James, so while the Robinson children could be hers, I suspect they are not.

    EDIT: Just to add, Thomas Finigan was born on the 31st of December 1878.
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    @welshlady, yep, that's my Charlotte. She was apparently an imposing lady in later years, having risen from her meagre beginnings in the tenements of Liverpool to be a governess, first in London and then in Ireland. Sadly it's her beginnings that are shrouded in mystery for me at present

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    Hello Orinoco

    If you scroll down on this you will see that it is an Orphange
    institutions.org.uk/orphanages/LAN/lancashire_orphanages.htm

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    @elsabels thanks, I wasn't sure on that point. Would that indicate that both parents were dead, or is it not that simple? As I said earlier, I've not managed to find a death record for either parent that I'm happy with, so I wondered if they'd disappeared (perhaps overseas) instead.

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    1881 England Census
    Name: Thomas Finigan Age: 23 (I think this should read Months)
    Estimated birth year: abt 1858 (1879)*
    Relation: Son Father's name: James Finigan
    Mother's name: Elizabeth Finigan Gender: Male
    Where born: Toxteth Park
    Street address: 2 In 2 Court Harding St
    James Finigan 35 Elizabeth Finigan 37
    Jane Robinson 17 Wm. Robinson 15 Elizabeth Robinson 9
    Thomas Finigan 23* Charlotte Finigan

    Have you found Elizabeths family, the Robinsons could be sibblings.

    England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
    Name: James Finigan
    Year of Registration: 1875
    Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
    District: West Derby County: Lancashire
    Volume: 8b Page: 614
    Spouse: Elizabeth Robinson
    Last edited by noggin28; 12-12-2010 at 08:49 AM.
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    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
    Name: Thomas Finigan Year of Registration: 1879
    Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: West Derby
    County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 581

    IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles
    Thomas Finegan Male Birth: 21 DEC 1878
    Christening: 31 MAR 1879 St Peter'S Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
    Parents: Father: James Finegan Mother: Elizabeth Finegan

    IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles
    CHARLOTTE ANN FINIGAN Female Christening: 09 JAN 1881
    Saint Nathaniel, West Derby, Lancashire, England
    Parents: Father: JAMES FINIGAN Mother: ELIZABETH
    Last edited by noggin28; 12-12-2010 at 09:05 AM.
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

 

 
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