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    Exclamation JOHN ?? ROBERTSON

    My request is to find my Gt Gt Grandfather...........JOHN ?? ROBERTSON... Born possibly about 1790 - 1795 South Leith scotland UK ???
    This family, amd most of the succeeding families, all came from South Leith area, Scotland UK.
    Said to be John Robertson (Sugar Boiler) married to Margaret More? Moore ??
    I have a death cert for Edward Robertson his ? son..http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...79YRSb1821.jpg I think I have that correct !?
    On it the Father...according to the Scotland's writing people - say it is John.. BUT...
    I cannot find anything that connects John with Margaret More.
    Mr Archer who signed it is a very flourishing writer and it is very difficult to cypher !
    The grand daughter Margaret (Maggie) Hendrie (nee Robertson)is the informant. I have all this Info...
    When I started out on my F/Research, some time ago, I was given info that Margaret More was born at South Leith in or about 1793 and died South Leith 1881 aged 88 yrs, but have been unable to substantiate this to make a connection.
    I cannot find anything regarding marriage or, if there were other children of the marriage(?)
    Edward (bottlemaker) was born in South Leith in 1821. I have verified his birth and christening as being ..(copied by a friend from the Edinburgh Archives), saying....from the...
    BODY { MARGIN-TOP: 1em; BACKGROUND-ATTACHMENT: scroll; MARGIN-LEFT: 13em; COLOR: #000000; BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-y; FONT-FAMILY: 12pt 'Trebuchet MS' normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff }Parish Register of Baptisms 1809-1846, Marriages, 1813-1836 as Feb 21st 1821,
    EDWARD ROBERTSON, son of John Robertson and Margaret, his wife, was born
    15/2/1821 and baptised 11th inst...(I think they may have reversed the dates here !?)

    at St James' Episcopal Episcopal Church, Constitution Street, Leith
    It unfortunately does not give Margaret's surname. !
    Edward later married Elizabeth Glenn and had three children, which I have the information on.
    SO.. If anyone can help me with Edward's father, it would be so wonderful, as I cannot go back further till this is solved.
    Thanks.
    Robbiej
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    Hi Robbiej!

    Looking at Edwards Death Cert, I can see that his Father was xxx Robertson and his Mother Maragert Robertson nee More. Isn't this the proof you are looking for? I couldn't decipher the Father's name myself!
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    Hi!

    An initial search on Scotland's People on marriage:

    1796 - 1854 Marriages between John Robertson & Margaret More - no matches
    1796 - 1854 Marriages between John Robertons & Margaret (first name only) - 3 matches
    1796 - 1854 Marriages between Margaret More & (surname only) Robertson - 13 matches

    I would suggest it would be worth your while to look at the Margaret More & (surname only) Robertson marriages and this may help you to identify the name on the Death Cert.

    Have you looked on Scotland's People for Edward's marriage? This may give his Mother's maiden name.

    A search shows that there is 1 match for a marriage between Edward Robertson and Elizabeth GLEN (none for GLENN) between 1845 & 1846.
    Rubina

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    In #3 I said Margaret's Death Cert should show you where she was born - meant to say give you her husbands full name! You probably know byou can get see Scottish Certs online?
    Rubina

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    Hi Rubina.
    Yes I have looked but could not really find much.
    I saw the marriages you mention, but the cost of going through them ALL ! was a bit prohibative at the time.
    I tried several ways of looking, Moore, More etc.. but no luck there..
    HIS, John's if it is his name, is the stumbling block ! Old Mr Archer and his flourishes !!
    I was hoping that someone might just come up with another name other than JOHN that would satisfy... Seems Not !
    However ...It might pay me to just do it !
    I did have a look at one of the three.. But it was a John Robertson to a Margaret JACK.. in 1811
    I cannot find any siblings of Edward's either, which I thought might solve the problem...
    The Edward/Glenn marriage - Yes I have, but ofcourse it does not say who his parents were.
    Thanks so much for your trouble...
    Jan

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    Rubina.. me again
    I have just bought more credits, and had a look at S/People.
    I Found 55 possibles over three pages. when I searched John Robertson/Margaret (no surname) Nothing there at all.
    I did a search of Margaret More & Moore, to John Robertson - Nothing found.
    Hopeless ??????
    Jan

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    Hi again!

    Hopefully others will look at the cert and work out Mr Archer's handwriting.

    I am going to have another look around on this! I will look at other births. To me, the name on the cert you have is not John - Margaret More is only certainty. I did have a brief look around the census and will go back to that. Have you got any of them on any of the census?
    Rubina

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    Just a thought - on Edward's Death Certificate it says HE is a Sugarboiler. On the census I have found of Edward born 1821 he is a bottlemaker. Do you think the Edward birth 1821 is the correct one? Mind you, the births I have found for Edward & Elizabeth Glen, fit in with the census of Edward the bottlemaker!
    Rubina

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    UMMM Rubina, THAT is a question ! I am beginning to wonder if it is he.. No where can I find a connection, or anything that would connect Edward to the JOHN as father...No siblings etc.. NO Census..of him or Margaret More... I did find a Margaret JACK married to a John Robertson ...Mason!.. in 1911, but I don't think that is him. I could not find siblings or an Edward there either. Edward MUST have had parents, but where are they !! Lordy Be !
    Edward b/1821 and further to the future, all come together OK. I have all the data for them and their families...It all matches in... so it is definitely Edward 1821 Father/Mother that we are looking for.
    I have a census of 1841 with Edward aged 20 living separately, but nothing prior to that - so maybe you are right it isn't John after all.
    The next question I guess is.... who then is the father !! Darn MR Archer !He is a thorn !
    Yes Sugarboiler and Bottlemaker - Would they be the same TRADE do you think ???
    I went through L D S using various names, and nick names, but could not see anything that even might be related.. I tried doing reverse with Edward, but nothing there either - but I am pretty much a novice at this, so the chances are, that I was missing something along the way.
    I had a look on the new 'familyresearch' thing (beta) of L D S... Thousand and thousands of Robertson's (Like Smith's in NZ ! phone book) and also tried the reverse there... Edward and then Margaret More, but there it does not give you the choice of variations of name, although it does come up with some... One was MOIR, and I wondered...
    Well Here is hoping that you might just be able to solve this puzzle... for it sure has me stumped....
    MERRY CHRISTMAS !!
    Jan

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    Hi!

    I will take another look around.

    I imagine bottle maker and sugar boiler are two different trades - doesn't mean he didn't change his trade though!

    John as Father - one of the moderators thinks that father's name on Cert IS John.

    MOIR is a potential. From Blacks Surnames of Scotland: Moir cs a descriptive name from the Gaelic Mor which means big.The surname is Aberdonian and in Aberdeen pronounced More - a spelling also found in early records. Other spellings Moer, More, Moore, Mayr and Moyr.
    Rubina

 

 

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