Thread: Conflicting information

Do you have your GD's birth cert ? would you like to post further infomation, his name, dob, place of birth, father if known etc. A second search by a member here might help solve your problem.

We dont have birth cert for James Holmes, what we have is 1911 195 Pilgrim st Newcastle born Carlisle aged 24 ?, Marriage cert dated 3 10 1911 states 195 Pilgrim st aged 22 ? Attestation papers enlisted August 1914 aged 28 years and 72 days ? living at 22 Blagdon St Newcastle which matches with my Dad's birth cert, and his birth place as Newcastle. He was married in Oct 1911 at Newcastle registry office with J. Berry as a witness but states on the enlistment papers that he was married by a Father Collins with Tweedie as a witness.
The enlistment papers state John twice as the name, one is crossed through and James written above , the second is John overwritten James, I think he handed his birth cert over to the clerk and the clerk has filled in the details and I think he may be John James born June /July 1886. Help.
Fathers name was John , deceased on marriage cert in 1911

He was married in Oct 1911 at Newcastle registry office with J. Berry as a witness but states on the enlistment papers that he was married by a Father Collins with Tweedie as a witness.

The Catholic Church may have been where the actual marriage service was conducted, however if the Church was not licensed then The Registrar and a witness would need to be present......

195 Pilgrim St NoT is a lodging/boarding house, owned or run by Margaret DONNELLY who also has 78 Rye Hill NoT

The WW1 record is for a James HOLMES 12781 who enlisted on 18/08/1914 and was discharged 28/10/1914 under regulation para 392 6iii

The marriage entry is recorded as
James HOLMES = May GLENDENNING witnesses J TWEEDY and Mrs TWEEDY? Dec 1911 Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 243. Do you have a copy of the marriage certificate? what is the information on it related to James's employ and his father

elsabels

Can you advise us of all the relevant facts you know about your grandfather James HOLMES.....

When he was born, his parents , all the relevant details from his birth certificate, who he married the details OFF the marriage certificate and his death details. The names of his children amd confirmation of the place of birth

If James describes himself and his deceased father as Shipyard lab'rs I think they are more likely to be born in the NoT area,

1911 Census says my GF was born in Carlisle

This is the 'lodger ' in 195 Pilgrim Street b Carlisle a Bricklayers Labourer, I am not convinced this is your ancestor!

You also have James HOLMES married to May Gledenning 1911, when was the first child born, only there is no mention on the attestation papers of any children at 1914

You suggest a birth cetificate as proof when joining the Army maybe not, such importance was not placed on these a hundred years ago as it is today......, I know my grandfather produced his baptismal certificate!

To go back successfully we need to know that we have the correct family, I vcan find on the census James HOLMES with a father John albeit the son is a shipyard worker and the father is a coal miner

elsabels

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