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    Exclamation John James Valentine

    I love this idea - it's going to be a boon for a great many people & could spread to other sites so I think you should have copyrighted the idea!!

    My brick wall is John James Valentine. I've got him born in London (according to all the censuses & his marriage cert) in 1862. The 1871 census has him in 4 Calverley Street, Mile End Old Town, London with his dad John, a widower who was apparently born in Germany in approx. 1824. In 1881 we have our man in 3 Zion Square, London, still living with his dad & working as a brass polisher, but by 1889 he's living at 23 Carlton Street, Prescot, Lancs when he gets married to Annie Earle. The marriage cert says his dad is dead ( so he died sometime between 1881 & 1889).
    In 1901 he's living at 19 Cook Street, Prescot ( Lancs) and working as a labourer at the BICC cable works. By 1911 he's still labouring there & has moved to 35 Derby Street with his family. He dies in 1932 at Whiston Hospital, Merseyside.
    What I can't find is his birth registered anywhere to locate his mothers name from the birth cert, and his fathers birth or death, which could have happened in London or Prescot. I of course realise that, as his dad was supposed to be German, his names could have been different, e.g. Johann Valentin, but I'm just getting nowhere with this after 2 years trying.

    Any help would be very much appreciated by John juniors grand-daughter, my mother-in-law.
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    Possibility for father's death Sept qtr 1885 John Valentine aged 66 Mile End - doesn't quite correspond to an 1824 birthdate
    May not be correct as there is another John Valentine living in Mile End in 1881 census b.~1821 Norfolk

    1871 Census has John snr. born Cassel, Germany (now spelt Kassel). I'm having trouble finding any records for Cassel on familysearch.org or IGI batch numbers. Sounds like it was badly bombed in the war - maybe records haven't survived.

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    1871 census also has John jnr as born Whitechapel, London.

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    Hi - yes KasseI was bombed in the second ww - I have found these records which are a bit way out date wise I admit - and I havnt checkked the census yet but keepthem in case tem to one side in case they are the backward Iink.. speIIings are as written.....

    AII taken pIace in Gudensberg KasseI Hessen DeutschIand

    Johan George Valentin born abt 1670
    Anna Catharina Rauen – born abt 1670
    marriage 16 feb 1699

    Johannes VaIentine born 1700 d3 June 1700
    Anna Maria Vaientin born19 May 1702
    Johann WiIheIm VaIten born 19 May 1705 d 14 sept 1705
    Anna EIisabeth VaIten born Aug 1706
    'Census information CrownCopyright, in care of TNA'

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    Hi - I Foowed your trace of the Johns up and then took John snr back to 1851 - theres no record of him before with a German origin so my guess is that he got here sometime after 1841 in time for the 1851 census..

    1861
    Valentine
    John

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    Commercial &traveller
    -, Germany
    61 Hatton Garden, Saffron Hill, Holborn, Middlesex
    RG9/0187/~F33
    'Census information CrownCopyright, in care of TNA'

    Kind regards......................... Bandit

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    Hello

    The 1861 also shows his status as married!

    1851 H107 1518 199486
    Union Arms Union St Saffron Hill

    John VALENTINE Lodger u 30 modeller ITALY

 

 

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