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    AA Member Newbie ntenk is an unknown quantity at this point
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    Exclamation Elizabeth Violet Frances Nicholas

    In trying to research my ancestors I keep running into a rather infuriating "brick wall". The problem is that there is no father mentioned on my mother's birth certificate, and my mother never really talked about him other than to say that he was a deep sea diver {which, knowing her tendency to "embellish" the truth, may very well be completely untrue} and never ever even mentioned his name. The result of this is that I do not know who my maternal grandfather was, and as my mother passed away in 1983 and I know of no relatives who could help me in this, it seems that this proverbial brick wall may well prove impossible to break down.
    My mother's name was Elizabeth Violet Frances Nicholas and she was born on December 4th 1909 in St.Erth.
    My grandmother was Margery Nicholas and she was born on march 26th 1872 also in St.Erth.
    I have already contacted the OPC for St.Erth, Darcel Kornachuk, in this matter, but the only information she could give me was that at the baptism of my aunt Laura, who was born on February 6th 1907 and baptised on May 1st 1907, and who was buried on August 30th 1919, there was a mr. Hocken or Hocking listed as the father. His occupation was given as water???? {apparently both the name and the occupation were not quite legible on the copies of the records she used for entering the data into het computer}. She suggested this person might also be my grandfather. I have Laura’s birth certificate, which, like my mother’s, does not mention a father. The other bit of information she had for me was that my mother was baptised on July 9th 1919, which seems a bit late as she would have been almost 10 years old. When I queried this date and suggested that 1919 might be a typographical error, and should possibly read 1910 she answered me that 1919 was indeed the date she had in the files on her computer, but that she unfortunately could not check if this was correct as she no longer had the photocopies from which she had extracted the information.
    The 1911 census has both my mother and my aunt living with their uncle and aunt Philip James Francis, and Elizabeth Laura Francis {néé Nicholas} at Churchtown St.Erth. As the occupation of Margery is given as "domestic servant" on both my mother's and my aunt's birth certificates, this leads me to assume that she lived on the premises where she worked and could not keep her children there.
    If you could give me an idea who my grandfather was, and what the date of death of my aunt was {I presume it must have been late August 1919} or could give me any suggestion on how, or where, I might find out, I would be very pleased to know.

    Regards,
    Nick

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    Hi Ntenk - just starting out with this for you

    1881 RG11/2340/F 8 Chapel Street, St. Erth, Cornwall

    Badge Joseph 65 Head Blacksmith Marazion, Cornwall
    Badge Margery 63 Wife Blacksmiths Wife St Erth, Cornwall
    Nicholas Susan A 39 Daughter Cook St Erth, Cornwall
    Nicholas James H 15 Grand Son Labourer In Iron Works St Erth,
    Badge Harold 12 Grand Son Scholar St Erth, Cornwall
    Nicholas Charles M 12 Grand Son Scholar St Erth, Cornwall
    Nicholas Joseph 11 Grand Son Scholar St Erth,
    Nicholas Margarey 9 Grand Daughter Scholar St Erth, Cornwall

    'Census information CrownCopyright, in care of TNA'

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    hi again - in a roundabout way - using Joseph age 1 - here are the parents as transcribed

    1871 RG10/2331/F Cornwall 49 Churchtown, St Erth, Cornwall

    Niocholas Richard 29 Head Stone Mason St Erth, Cornwall 49
    Niocholas Susan 29 Wife - St Erth, Cornwall
    Niocholas Edith Laura 9 Daughter Scholar St Erth, Cornwall
    Niocholas John 8 Son Scholar St Erth, Cornwall
    Niocholas John Hodge 8 Son Scholar St Erth, Cornwall
    Niocholas Charles Morly 5 Son Scholar St Erth, Cornwall
    Niocholas Joseph 1 Son - St Erth, Cornwall

    'Census information CrownCopyright, in care of TNA'

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    Hello ntenk

    You are looking for the father of Elizabeth Violet Frances NICHOLAS b 04/12/1909 St Erth Cornwall d/o Margery NICHOLAS and have been advised by Cornwall OPC that she may have been baptised in 1919. ( You also have her sister's information)

    The fact you have dates of the Parish events, means you can get a copy of this ( Elizabeth) and all the other entry's in the parish register for the cost of photo copy and postage from :

    site cornwall.gov.uk
    Cornwall Record Office
    Old County Hall
    Truro
    Cornwall
    TR1 3AY
    Telephone 01872 323127
    Email cro@cornwall.gov.uk
    Their ref according to the OPC site is Erth St 59 ERT

    Armed with this information and if you require the Birth/Death certificates you are in a position to look for them try this site, freebmd.org.uk

    elsabels

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    Found on familysearch.org ...................States Margerys husband was Arthur James Beavern from Battersea, London but no marraige date so this do not prove that hes the father of Elizabeth Violet Frances .


    Found on freebmd the MARRAIGE Sept qtr 1918 Margery Nicholas to Arthur J Beaven WANDSWORTH vol 1d p1474

    Margery was the daughter of Richard Cock Nicholas and Susan Ann Badge both from St. Erth, Cornwall

    I believe the Mr. Hocking you mention as father to Laura his occupation was Water Carrier .


    This looks like a member submitted pedigree that you may be able to order and contact the NICHOLAS submitter who lives in WA, for details to order check the library section of the site
    Submission Search: 120992-09077900027
    URL: CD-ROM: Pedigree Resource File - Compact Disc #147CD-ROM Features: Pedigree View, Family View, Individual View, Reports, Downloadable GEDCOM files, Notes and Sources.

    Need any further help on this ,, PM either hazelnut or elsabels
    Last edited by Hazelnut; 22-11-2010 at 09:11 PM. Reason: as agreed with hazelnut

 

 

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