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    Hi everyone,

    My particular Brick Wall is in trying to find, JOHN REDWORTH. His son Joseph Redworth was born Hampstead Middlesex c 1854. I have living relatives that have recall, that he, our Great Grandfather Joseph, spoke with a Welsh accent. He was also known as "Old Joe the Welshman". I have details of all Josephs Descendants, also that of his Wife and In-laws. Joseph's Marriage to Kate Boswell 1910, states on their Marriage Certificate that his father's name as John Redworth. Any leads as to his identity will be extremely appreciated.

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    Hello

    Your post suggests that John REDWORTH was 56 years when he married in 1910, presumably this is correct and not a typo! So on that basis John was born at least in 1830!

    Have you got the death certificate of John or Joseph REDWORTH, this my state how old they were when they died
    Could this be your family?

    1871 RG10 192 39 17
    RIDWORTH John 52 Hampstead
    RIDWORTH Sarah 48 Highgate
    RIDWORTH John 23 Hightgate
    RIDWORTH Joseph 20 Hampstead
    RIDWORTH James 16 Hampstead
    RIDWORTH Thomas 140Hampstead
    RIDWORTH Elizabeth 11 Hampstead
    RIDWORTH Mary 3 Hampstead

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    Is this the cert you sent for ? What age is on the cert for Joseph and Kate. Were they tavellers ?

    England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
    Name: Joseph Redworth Year of Registration: 1910
    Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
    District: Woolwich County: Greater London, Kent, London
    Volume: 1d Page: 2164

    The reason I asked :
    1891 England Census
    Name: Joseph Redworth Age: 37
    Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Head
    Spouse's name: Kate Redworth
    Gender: Male Where born: Hampstead, Middlesex, England
    Civil Parish: Lewisham Ecclesiastical parish: Lewisham St Marys
    County/Island: London Country: England
    Street address: Bridge House Farm, Ladywell Road, Lewisham
    (states gipsies on bridge house farm)
    Occupation: farm lab Condition as to marriage:married
    Joseph Redworth 37 Kate Redworth 39
    Juslinia Redworth 16 Win Redworth 14 Emily Redworth 12
    Benjin Redworth 7 Frances Redworth 4 Asker Redworth 1
    Last edited by noggin28; 18-11-2010 at 08:52 PM.
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    Are either of these yours.

    London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
    Name: Joseph Redworth Record Type: Baptism
    Estimated Birth Date: 4 Feb 1854
    Baptism Date: 26 Feb 1854
    Father's name: James Redworth (labourer)
    Mother's name: Elizabeth Redworth
    Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead St John
    Borough: Camden

    London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
    Name: Joseph James Redworth
    Record Type: Baptism
    Estimated Birth Date: abt 1850
    Baptism Date: 6 Oct 1850
    Father's name: John William Redworth ( Labourer)
    Mother's name: Sarah Redworth
    Parish or Poor Law Union: Highgate St Michael
    Borough: Camden
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

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    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    Hi Elsabels

    Thank you for your reply to my brickwall. I think you may have misread my post.

    It was Joseph Redworth who married on the 22nd December 1910, NOT his father John.

    On the Marriage Certificate it states that Joseph Redworth age 55 years, Batchelor Farm Labourer, Residing at:- "Caravan" Manorway Plumstead Marsh. Fathers Name John Redworth (Deceased) Farm Labourer. To Kate Boswell age 57 years, Spinster, Hawker. (Of the same address) Fathers Name Zachariah Boswell (Deceased) No typing error.

    With regard to the 1871 record showing Ridworth John 52 Hampstead and his listed family, implies that Joseph Ridworth was born c. 1851. In the 1851 Census, there is a John Redworth with a wife Sarah, a son William 7, a son Charles 5, a daughter Sarah 2, and a son Joseph 6months. If this is the same family as the Ridworth's of 1871 Census: the Census is normally taken about the end of the 1st quarter that would imply that Joseph Redworth / Ridworth were born 1850 if they are the same family. My Joseph's records so far to date doesn't show him to be earlier than 1854/5,

    There is one anomaly, my grandfather's William Redworth c. 1876 got Married in 1896 it gives his father's name as Joseph Ridworth. (Was this a typo?)

    There is nothing to show me that Joseph Ridworth (1871 Census) or that Joseph Redworth (1851 Census) on these records alone are the proof I am looking for.

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    Hi Noggin 28

    Thank you for replying to my Brickwall Post. I am very familia with the records you've listed and have exhausted many others to be found in 1851 thru 1911 Census taken.

    The first record you show gives Joseph with a good match for birth year. Unfortunately, it gives a father as James not John.

    On the 2nd record listed it gives Joseph James Redworth as c. 1850. This does not tie in with other records, Marriage and Death Certificates which gives his YOB 1854/5

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    Hi Noggin 28

    You are correct, my maternal line is of Romani Blood and Tradition. (Travellers, a modern discription for all types of itinerants) The 1891 Census Record you show, is of my Great Grandfather and Grandmother, Joseph Redworth and Kate Boswell. William, the first born son was my grandfather. As there is no birth registration for any of this side of my family prior to 1910 trying to trace proven parentage is very difficult. As a member of A......... I have done all the searches of Census from 1841 thru 1901 also 1911. What I am finding more a problem is it doesn't cover Parish records.
    Last edited by The Lady Marion; 01-12-2010 at 06:55 AM. Reason: Another Forum/Ancestry site

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    The sites below are free and gives limited access to Parish records. The first one allows you to search by parish and surname, the advantage being you can find whole families.

    Hugh Wallis's Genealogical Web Sites

    FamilySearch.org - Search

    FamilySearch Record Search
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

 

 

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