Thread: George Sidney (Sydney?) Gibson

Possibility..........

George GIBSON died 1919 aged 80 Yarmouth 4b 44

I cannot find on the 1891 census so presume there is a transcription error!

Maybe you need to look at the fishing industry to see which 'boats' operated in/out of Yarmouth around 1870/1874, it is likely that george snr spent a long time at sea and came form another fishing port?

elsabels

Thanks for getting in touch and your efforts and thoughts.


The maritime industry, including fishing, is a big problem. Most of the records of crew were sent to the Maritime University in Canada (Nova Scotia or Newfoundland), in sometime in the 70s.
Local councils were offered records relating to their ports but most, including Yarmouth, rejected them. There are only about 10% left in this country.
I am currently transcribing crew lists on behalf of the Clip Project but they are currently concentrating on the West of the UK.

I do know that there are some records still at Lowestoft so this could be a (very) long shot. However my gut feeling is that he sailed out of Yarmouth, (maybe Gorleston as well?) as his wife had,
according to the 1911 census, 14 children, of whom I have found only 11. They were all born in Yarmouth and the family always lived there. The frequency of the children suggests that he wasn't away from home for extended periods, (unless of course he didn't father all of the children!), but his name appears on all of the birth certificates I have.

As regards the death in 1919 I think the death you are referring to may be a George Gibson, age 80, died 24/12/1919 at Blackwall Reach Gorleston, a retired marine engine driver. If he was 80 this would put his birth year about 1839 which is a bit too far out for my ggf, (bn abt 1853).

I suspect that, as regards the 1891 census, that the relevant records may not exist, as NFHS tell me that there are a lot of records missing for that year. I have searched by forenames only without success.

My only living hope would have been my father's sister who is now nearly 80. Unfortunately her memory is very poor and unreliable so she has not been able to help.

Hello Ian

I suspect that you will already have looked at these resources the resources available at TNA, have you also considered the Merchant Navy records or Trinity house.

elsabels

Hello again Elsabels
I must admit that TNA and the others had never occurred to me. Something to consider.

My entire knowledge of George Sidney is:
Married 23/04/1874 at age 21, a fisherman, to Elizabeth Rosina (Rose) Hickling at Yarmouth Parish Church. Father George Gibson, bricklayer.

Elizabeth Rose Hickling bn 10/03/1856 at Row 123 Gt Yarmouth. Father Robert Hickling, Tailor. Mother Mary Ann Clusterman, daughter of Dutch master mariner.
Died 10/10/1915 at Yarmouth Infirmary (Registered by Master of Infirmary). Recorded as fisherman's wife.

All events occurred at Great Yarmouth except death of Lilian Gollop. All events registered by the mother. George Sidney shown as father in all cases.

Children:
George Henry b. 20/05/1875 at Row 125
William Sidney b. 21/03/1877 at Row 125
Alfred John b. 25/03/1879 at 4 Garden Cottages
Rosa Leah b. 07/01/1881 at 4 Garden Cottages d. 28/09/1886 at 7 Alma Rd
Gertrude Lilian b. 04/03/1883 at 7 Alma Rd
Martha Ruby b. 09/07/1884 at 7 Alma Rd d. 07/08/1884 at same place
Sidney Gollop b. 15/12/1886 at 7 Alma Rd
Rose Leah b. 05/06/1889 at Grosvenor Rd d. 10/08/1889 at same place
Rose Leah b. 15/08/1890 at 1 Admiralty Rd d. 15/12/1890 at same place
Lilian Gollop b. 27/08/1891 at 7 S Denes Rd d. 06/03/1958 at Grimsby
Bertie Victor b. 15/05/1895 at 91 King St d. 07/08/1895 at same place
(It seems that one of the Rose Leahs also probably had the name of Gollop)

1881 Census - Family at 7 Alma Road
1891 Census - Family not located
1901 Census - Family at 23, Row 142
1911 Census - Elizabeth at 10, Row 133 with daughter Gertrude & family & Lilian (unmarried)

That's as much as I know.

Hello Noggin
Thank you for your interest.
The witnesses were a Reuben Riches and Elvia Withers, or at least that's how it appears on the certificate.

I'll add for now what I know about Reuben and come back to Elvia.

He is probably Reuben Riches:
FreeBMD Birth - Rheuben Riches, reg Aylsham Dist q2 1848
1851 census shows address Cross Street, Skeyton Age 2yr. Bn @ Buxton, Nfk
1861 census shows address Union House, Cawston Rd, Aylsham, age 14hr, Bn @
FreeBMD Marriage - Yarmouth Dist q1 1869 to Jane Wells
1871 census shows address 9, Row 34 Gt Yarmouth, age 22yr Bn @ Norwich (with wife Jane & 1 child)
1881 census shows address "Ada Florence" at Falmouth, age 32yr, Bn @ Norwich, ships mate
1891 census shows address 7, Row 132 Gt Yarmouth, age 41yr, Bn @ Gt Yarmouth, mariner (with wife Jane & 3 children)
1901 census shows address 22, Row 132 Gt Yarmouth, age 52yr, Bn @ Buxton, mariner (with wife)
1911 census same address, age 62yr, Bn Buxton, seaman

That's it for him.

I'll collate my info on Elvia Withers & post it probably tomorrow. I think she was probably Elizabeth Gibson/Hickling's sister.

Thanks again
Best regards
Wonnig

Now for Elvia Withers.
As I said I think she is probably Eliza Rebecca Hickling, born abt 1844 ay Yarmouth, sister of George's wife.
Eliza was married q3 1861 to Richard Benjamin Withers at Yarmouth.
Census 1851 - Address Priory Plain Gt Yarmouth bn abt, 1844 as Eliza Hickling
Census 1861 - Same address bn abt 1844, as E R Hickling, tailoress
Census 1871 - 9 Priory Plain bn abt 1844, wife of Richard Withers, 1 son Richard
Census 1881 - Norwich Prison, bn abt 1845, married, prisoner, tailoress
Census 1891 - Masons Court, Norwich, bn abt 1844, widow, tailoress. Same address shows a Charles Rendle as head, age 50. No relationship.
Census 1901 - Workhouse, Heigham, Nfk, bn abt 1845, widow, inmate, upholsteress

Richard Benjamin Withers (prob) died q3 1887 at Yarmouth
Eliza prob died q2 1905 at Norwich.

That is it for her.

Thanks again

I had all but given up on my GGF but a week or so ago I was playing about with the Record Search Pilot on LDS when I stumbled across a bit more info on my grandmother’s family.

She was always known as Lily & it wasn’t until I started on this “game” that her registered name at birth was Lilian Gollop Gibson, as was the case with her brother, Sidney.

LDS has details of most of the family. 7 of the 11 children also had the forename of Gollop given to them when christened. In the case of George Sidney there are 2 instances of him being shown as George Sidney Gollop Gibson! Most of them are shown as having been christened on 14 May 1890, irrespective of when they were born.
The only ones without the Gollop name were:

Rosa Leah b. 1881, d. 1886 and Bertie Victor b. 1895 d. 1895

There is a discrepancy between the dates of death & christening for some of them:
Rosa Leah b 1889 d 1889

(There is another Rosa Leah b Aug 1890 d Dec 1890, shown as christened Sep 1890)

The link for the LDS page is:

https://www.familysearch.org/s/searc...tionId=1473014

I’ve had a look at census records for 1841/51/61/71 and there is a small number of Gollops in Norfolk, but of course, it doesn’t necessarily follow that his parents or others ever lived there, or were born there, particularly as the name is essentially one from the West Country.

Does any one have any suggestions as to how I might prove or disprove my suspicion that somewhere in his lineage there is a Gollop (mother, grandmother seem to be most likely to me.)