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    Default Look up, please for information on Robert Smith born in Cononley, Kildwick, UK

    I found the marriage date on Ancestry.com for my gggg grandfather, Robert Smith who married Jane Shackleton on April 27, 1747. Does anyone have any further information giving his birth date, date of death, and names of his children. I think a Robert Smith born in Cononley in 1783 is his son and my ggg grandfather. This Robert Smith married an Ann Smith on February 8, 1810 in Kildwick. If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it.

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    Can I ask how you got to Robert Smith who married Ann Smith in 1810 at Kildwick, Yorkshire. I assume it was from a 1841 census.

    If you go to this site and look at all marriages and baptisms that took place in Kildwick you will understand why I asked. There are about 15 marriages from 1790 -1810 for John Smith alone and 27 births from 1791 to 1811.

    IGI Batch Numbers for Yorkshire (I-L), England
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    HeIIo KaIee and noggin - Just for reference is this the record you are refering to..

    1841 Smith HO107/1317/~F4 Kildwick Grange, Kildwick, Yorkshire W R aII born in County

    Lambert

    35

    Yeoman
    Elizabeth

    25

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    John

    5

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    Robert

    70

    Independent
    Benjamin

    35

    Manufacturer
    Hannah

    35

    -
    Phoebe

    15

    -
    'Census information CrownCopyright, in care of TNA'

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    St Andrews Kildwick in Craven Parish Registers are availble as a download, see books.google.co.uk

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    Hi again KaIee - I do agree there are a Iot of records for your search and wonder if you wouId Iike to have a Iook yourseIf at this information..

    If you use Family search for Yorkshire - Robert Smith it wiII bring up aII birth/christening and marriages

    If you use the foIIowing Batch numbers under IGI it wiII bring up aII of the above records
    for Kildwick, Yorkshire, England

    C010012 J010014 P01001 M010011 M010012 M010013 M010014 M010015
    M016 M010017

    I hope this heIps unIess you have an actuaI record that we can refer to and work from pIease come back to us.
    'Census information CrownCopyright, in care of TNA'

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    Thank you, all, for your replies to my query. I found the two marriage dates of Robert Smith (my ggg grandfather) and Robert Smith (my gggg grandfather from the LDS Family site. Thanks to your suggestions, I now have consulted the IGI sites and have this further information.

    Robert Smith b. Cononley 1783, d. Cononley 1827 m. Ann Smith Feb. 8, 1810

    Children Mary (did not survive)
    John Aug. 22 1813
    William Nov. 5, 1815
    Benjamin Christened Apr. 1, 1821
    Robert Apr. 21, 1822
    David June 15, 1828 *** David is my great-great grandfather and he emigrated to Canada in 1856

    I am still having difficulty finding out more information about my gggg grandfather, Robert Smith (other than that he married Jane Shackleton on Apr. 27, 1747). Any further help would be greatly appreciated.

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    Hello Kalee

    I am still having difficulty finding out more information about my gggg grandfather,
    Once you are back beyond the 1841 census and the Certification system which started in July 1837, it can be difficult establishing your line. It is important therefore to pick up the correct info at 1841 to enable you toget back to the correctParish register and any other Manorial Records etc

    Can you give the 1851 and 1841 censsus refernces that you have David Smith 1827 on.

    The 1841 census I have looked at shows:
    H107 1317 3 Kildwick
    Cononley, Kildwick, Yorkshire, England
    SMITH Miles 30
    SMITH Elizabeth 30
    SMITHJohn b 1822
    SMITH Thomas b 1835
    SMITH John b 1816
    SMITH Robert b1826
    SMITH David b1828

    If you take the young family of Miles & Elizabeth, you will find the 2 sons both baptised on 23/06/1837 ( b 08/06/1832 & 13/01/1835 resp ) at Ickornshaw Methodist Chapel
    maps.google.co.uk will help you locate

    A quick look at the 1871 RG104262 21 11 Cononly shows Miles with a grand dau Elizabeth SMITH b 1858 Philadelphia America!

    It is likely that this family is connected to the other 'men' in the household,so you may even be looking at nonconformist records.

    Moving to David b 1828 who you state left the UK 1856 he could still be on the 1871 census!

    A bit more info would assist and any comments about the above!

    elsabels

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    Thank you, Elsabels, for your assistance. The record which you mentionned above is the correct info. for my ggrandfather, David. He and his two brothers, John, and Robert were living with Miles according to the 1841 Census. I believe Miles may be an uncle on David's mother's side but I am not sure of this. I am assuming that their parents had died by this time and that is why they are living with Miles.

    In the 1851 Census, David is living in Bingley with John and his wife, Jane.

    According to David's marriage certificate, he married Elizabeth Sellars in April, 1852. Elizabeth, who was born in Barnoldswick on Mar. 12, 1832 was also living in Bingley by 1851 (in Gott's Yard).

    David's marriage certificate listed his father as Robert Smith and from there I am having some difficulty. I think that Robert Smith was born in 1798 in Cononley and married an Anne Smith who was born in 1802 in Cononley. They had four children Robert, John, David and Nancy. However, I am not sure if there were more children or if I even have the correct Robert and Anne Smith. Any further help would be greatly appreciated. I searched for the info. on the 1841 and 1851 census on Ancestry.com and don't have a reference number. I will go back to the LDL Family search in the next day or so to try to find the reference numbers that you need.

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    this is the site I think will give you the best results:

    IGI Batch Numbers for Yorkshire (I-L), England
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    Hello Kalee,

    First I do not know where in the world you are researching from, but you state you are using a subsc site .com, which suggests that you are outside the UK

    Second getting back on to Parish records is difficult, and you do need to get / look at the actual Parish Rgeister entry ( see my link The Importance of the Parish Register)

    You have identiifed your ancertor as David SMITH to be found on the 1841 census as at #7 with another young SMITH family, their exact relationship is conjecture!

    The LDS/familysearch site has the following entry's

    SMITH David b 10/02/1828 bp 15/06/1828 s/o Robert & Mrs Ann SMITH ( beta.familysearch.org)

    I believe Miles may be an uncle on David's mother's side but I am not sure of this
    SMITH Miles = SMITH Elizabeth 09/01/1832 Kildwick. Miles was b 1811 circa, therefore it could make him the eldest child in the family and a brother to those on the 1841 census! Assuming the 1810 Robert SMITH is the correc parents marriage of David!

    You need to look at the Parish register entry for each of the above before you can move back confidently! Tying in the 5 person named SMITH

    If you go to library on the familysearch site, you should be able to find the nearest centre to you and order the films so you can look at the records yourself. I would collect all references to the name in the given timeframe, as it appears that you may have upto 4 SMITH familly's interrelated or just one!

    elsabels

 

 

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