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    AA Member Newbie bryanmanktelow is an unknown quantity at this point
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    Exclamation James Frederick Watkins May 5 1862 Southwark

    After my grandfather joined the army in 1883 I have been able to follow him all the way until his death in 1950 - but before that he is a complete mystery.
    I have his birth certificate with birth date for James Frederick Watkins on May 5, 1862 at 52 Hunter Street, Southwark (sub district Kent Road), mother Helen born Scully, father Thomas Watkins, carman
    No record of this family (even with fuzzy searches) at this address in census 1861 or 1871 and no record of a marriage between Helen and Thomas anywhere
    No record of family (Thomas+Helen+James) anywhere in England in Census 1881.
    Granddad joined the Staffordshire Regiment at St George's Barracks on May 17, 1883 and gave his next of kin as father Thomas Watkins, 19 Townsend Street, Old Kent Road and aunt Julia Howard, 3 Regent Street, Battersea. James gives his trade as 'Printer'
    Neither Thomas nor Julia are at these addresses in the Census 1881 or 1891, and, as I said, James is not to be found anywhere --- or?
    If James were illegitimate or an orphan and learned a trade at an institute,where would he be found in the relevant censuses?
    Any way of checking residents at the next of kin addresses outside census records?
    Any other ways of checking Helen Scully's existence since there are no likely candidates in the censuses?
    I have been wrestling with this problem for the last ten years and the family tree is becoming very lopsided - any hints or advice would be appreciated!!
    Bryan Manktelow

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    AA Member Respected Member banditfivealive is just really nice banditfivealive is just really nice banditfivealive is just really nice banditfivealive is just really nice
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    HeIIo Bryan

    Re HeIen ScuIIey

    I have found on the 1851 census
    Heien age 16 born Waterford at New HaII in Essex with her sister age 14 born Traniore - Iooks Iike a schooI

    then there is is ..............

    HeIIen age 2 born Iambeth with parents Richard and EIizabeth in Iondon
    'Census information CrownCopyright, in care of TNA'

    Kind regards......................... Bandit

    Researching : Cole : Poole / Wimborne -Vick: Christchuch / Wimborne-Martin : Wimborne / Bristol / Cardiff - Coombes: Bristol -Covering: 1762 - present day so far -Trades: cobblers, seamen, umbrella makers, milliners, painters and decorators and tailors

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    Aunt Julia HOWARD

    Could this be her living at 3 RUSSELL STREET Battersea

    Julia Sarah WATKINS = Charles William HOWARD q1 1860 ST George Southwark

    St Mary MAgadalen Southwark
    03/03/1860

    Charles William HOWARD 21 bach Cheesmonger Hunter St James HOWARD blacksmith
    Julia Sarah WATKINS 21 sp " Richard WATKINS starchmaker

    RG 13 443 62 7
    RG12 422 126 7
    RG11 649 136 37

    Baptism Thomas WATKINS s/ Richard & Mary WATKINS bp 28/06/1837 St Mary Lambeth

    1841 Census H107 1057 8
    WATKINS Richard 40
    WATKINS mary 40
    WATKINS Eliza 15
    WATKINSWillaim 13
    WATKINS Caroline 9
    WATKINS Thomas 4
    WATKINS Julia 2

 

 

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