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    Default Twomey or Toomey - Roman Catholic Records for London?

    Hello, can anyone help whilst I still have some hair left?

    My gg-grandmother Margaret Twomey was born in Holborn, City of London, in 1834. I can't find a baptism record for her, but her mother was Ellen (born about 1806), and according to Margaret's marriage cert her father was Jeremiah, a hairdresser.

    In the censuses, Ellen gives her birthplace as Ireland (no county given), but Jeremiah does not appear in any of them (she's a widow by 1851, in 1841 Jeremiah isn't with her).

    Margaret's older brother was Charles, born in 1832. There's a baptism record for Charles in St. Andrews Holborn (mother Ellen, father Charles a hairdresser of Saffron Hill, but I think the father's name must be an error). Charles later marries and states his father is Jeremiah a hairdresser.

    Her younger brother Thomas was born abt 1846 - again no baptism record - and Thomas later marries and gives his father's name as Jeremiah, a barber, so this implies that Jeremiah was still alive in 1846 or thereabouts.

    I did find a St Andrews Holborn baptism record for Eleanor Twomey (1816), whose father was Jeremiah (a hairdresser of Saffron Hill) and mother Ann. Eleanor may have been Jeremiah's sister, or perhaps a daughter by a previous marriage.

    Ellen later entered the City Road Workhouse, and gives her religion as RC, so it seems likely that her children may have been baptised RC too, even though they all married in C of E churches. I don't know where Ellen and Jeremiah married or even her maiden name, nor when/where Jeremiah was born. I'd like to know if there are any RC Baptism/Marriage/Burial records available? And if so, does anyone have access to these?

    A family story says that one of Margaret's forebears (who must surely be her father or maternal/paternal grandfather) was a surgeon at the battle of Trafalgar. I've drawn a blank there too!

    The family were mostly illiterate and the various spellings of Twomey, Toomey, Twomay, Turmy etc crop up on their records.

    Thanks very much.

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    Could this be Jerimiah and why you cant find him in 1841 ? Noticed on 1841 c living Smiths building St. Mary, Islington east
    Jerimiah Twomey 37 Sailor b middlesex

    Class: HO107; Piece 664; Book: 3; Civil Parish: St Mary Islington East; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 44; Page: 21; Line: 9;


    Also found this Marraige banns no 170 Jerimiah Toomey Bachelor ( he signed his name Ellen signed a cross ) to Ellen Collins Spinster 16th April 1822 witnesses were Jerimiah Lynes and Catherine Lynes (both signed a cross )
    St. Mary, Newington, Surrey
    London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary, Newington, Register of marriages, P92/MRY, Item 060
    Last edited by Hazelnut; 27-10-2010 at 03:44 PM. Reason: added info

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    Thank you Hazelnut for the help, it's much appreciated.
    The Jeremiah Twomey you found in the census could well be the one, but all I have to go on is his name and being a hairdresser rather than a sailor... perhaps he was a barber on board ship!
    The marriage is the right area of London but wrong spouse name, unless it was a prior marriage. What a shame that those older marriage records don't contain more detail

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    Hazlenut - our posts must have crossed in the post, forgive the pun!
    My reply was re the marriage of Jeremiah and Margaret Sullivan.
    The marriage to Ellen Collins was interesting though. I will check out the record... could the witnesses names have been Lynch? The name is ringing a bell somewhere and I'm sure I've come across them as neighbours or lodgers or something.

    Thank you so much, again

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    Definetly Lynes Poleta , found 7 marraiges for A Jerimiah Twoley....... 2 are Holburn !
    Have you other children of Jerimiah and Ellen apart from the 3 stated ?
    Charles b 1832
    Margaret b 1834
    Thomas b 1846

    Will carry on searching for you , it seems the marraige would be abt 1825-1832 .
    Last edited by Hazelnut; 27-10-2010 at 04:36 PM.

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    Hazelnut, thank you. I know before RC marriages were legally recognised that a lot of people married in a CofE church instead or as well as a RC church, so if one of these is 'my' Jeremiah it could explain why there don't seem to be any christening records for him. Or perhaps he was born in Ireland, which opens up yet more challenges...

    Much appreciated.

    I should have added - Charles, Margaret and Thomas are the only three children that I know of. However Ellen does have a granddaughter with her in 1851/1861 censuses, alternately called Ann Maria Garland and Annie Parsons b. 1850 - I assume it's the same person but don't know for sure - and she is not a child of Charles, Margaret or Thomas, so it seems safe to assume that Jeremiah and/or Ellen had at least one other child (daughter?).
    Last edited by poleta; 27-10-2010 at 08:55 PM. Reason: advanced brain failure

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    Maybe Ellen was called Garland before marraige or she was married before. Cant find a birth for Anna Maria Garland .
    I'm going to look for Jerimiah in Ireland , Ellen was born Cork ( going by the 1881 c ) so maybe thats another possibility .
    Last edited by Hazelnut; 28-10-2010 at 05:42 PM.

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    Good idea Hazlenut, thank you - I can at least do some searches on that.

 

 

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