Thread: Eliza Ann Plume Born London (sic) 1849

I have an ancestress called Eliza Plume, her parents were Robert Plume and Eliza Taylor. Unfortunately I do not have accurate details about their births so going back beyond these names is difficult. While living in the UK I did find somepeople who matched their general ages, but was never confident to pursue them as there remained a couple of options for Eliza particularly.

So what I have is:
Eliza Ann Plume
Born London (sic) 1849
Died Lewisham Private Hospital, Wagga Wagga, NSW Australia 26/1/1938
She was possibly born in St Giles Parish ...

Her mother was Eliza Plume, nee Taylor whose date of birth is only an estimate at 1830, and she too is only shown as being born in London. She married Robert Plume, born London, England, around 1824.

The whole family turns up in 1851 census staying with relatives in Wandsworth (74 York Road) prior to their emigration to Australia aboard the Telegraph in 1858.

A note on my records suggests both Elizas were born in St Giles, and Robert in St James parish. But beyond them, I draw a blank.

Eliza Junior's husband is also a bit of a mystery man. He was born at sea en route to Australia and his parents apparently came from Hanover in Germany, but there is nothing else known about him. John Peter Myers, whose father was also John, was born in 1829. But I have no record of which ship he came out on (literally, in his case, lol).

So that is three mysteries that are causing me some angst. Please pick whichever sounds most fun for you to pursue as I know this is over the odds on the offer.

This is a great idea by the way as I have become so disheartened with this little conundrum that I have quite given up on this branch of my father's family ...

Hi Expator

Birth Index

Name: Eliza Ann Plume
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: St Giles
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1 Page: 87

From IGI Pilot Project - England Marriages

Groom's Name: Robert Plume

Bride's Name: Eliza Taylor
Marriage Date: 02 Apr 1848
Marriage Place: Saint Martin In The Fields,Westminster,London,England

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00145-5
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 561175
Reference Number:
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

Free BMD

Marriages Jun 1848

PLUMERobert St. Martins Vol: 1 Page: 130
TAYLOR Eliza St Martins Vol: 1 Page: 130

How sure are you about the ship and date of sailing that the family took? As these records look very promising!


Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists

Name: Robert Plume
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Age: 29
Arrival Date: 16 Aug 1853
ArrivalPort: Port Phillip Bay, Australia
DeparturePort: London
Ship: Hempsyke
Nationality: English

Name: Eliza Plume
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Age: 27
Arrival Date: 16 Aug 1853
ArrivalPort: Port Phillip Bay, Australia
DeparturePort: London
Ship: Hempsyke
Nationality: English

Name: Eliza Plume
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Age: 4 Arrival
Date: 16 Aug 1853
ArrivalPort: Port Phillip Bay, Australia
DeparturePort: London
Ship: Hempsyke
Nationality: English

her is the family in 1841
Name:Eliza PlumeAge:1Estimated birth year:abt 1850Relation:NieceGender:FemaleWhere born:St Giles, Middlesex, EnglandCivil Parish:BatterseaEcclesiastical parish:St MaryCounty/Island:SurreyCountry:
Registration district:WandsworthSub-registration district:BatterseaED, institution, or vessel:18 Household schedule number:74Household Members:NameAgeGeorge Jones35Caroline Jones30Robert Plume27Eliza Plume24Eliza Plume1

eliza born st giles and robert st james
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1577; Folio: 302; Page: 22; GSU roll: 174813.

Australia Marriage Index

Name: Eliza A Plume
Spouse Name: John Myers
Marriage Date: 1865
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sofala, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1865
Registration Number: 3221

This leads me to question whether Eliza Snr remarried in light of the following Marriage and death Index records

Name: Eliza Plume
Spouse Name: John Wilson
Marriage Date: 1868
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sofala, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1868
Registration Number: 3395

Australia Death Index

Name: Robert Plume
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 30 Registration Year: 1854
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 3885

a poss birth for robert plume

Name:Robert PlumeRecord Type:BaptismEstimated Birth Date:abt 1823Baptism Date:14 Dec 1823Father's name:Henry PlumeMother's name:Keziah PlumeParish or Poor Law Union:St MaryleboneBorough:Westminster.

father henry is a servant

there is also
Name:Henry Robert PlumeRecord Type:BaptismEstimated Birth Date:abt 1822Baptism Date:14 Apr 1822Father's name:Henry PlumeMother's name:Kizia PlumeParish or Poor Law Union:Bloomsbury St GeorgeBorough:Camden

Following through from the information on the 1851 Census and other Census’, this would appear to be a good match for Eliza Taylor/Plume’s sister Caroline’s marriage – giving Eliza and Caroline’s father’s name as William – a carpenter.

London Marriages

Name: Caroline Taylor
Spouse Name: George Frederick Jones
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 15 Apr 1840
Parish: St Mary
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Taylor
Spouse Father Name: John Gabriel Jones

kezia remarries??

Name: Kazia Plume
Spouse Name: James Pitts
Record Type: Banns
Marriage Bann Date: 19 Apr 1829
Parish: Christchurch Newgate Street
County: London
Borough: City of London

both widows

cant see henrys death though

I wonder if Eliza Snr was born before 1826 as this Baptism record fits well, with William listed as a carpenter and they are living in Peckham – no specific address.

London Births and Baptisms

Name: Eliza Taylor
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1824
Baptism Date: 3 Oct 1824
Father's name: William Taylor
Mother's name: Eliza Taylor
Parish or Poor Law Union: Camberwell St Giles
Borough: Southwark

Interestingly Robert Plume’s mother and others are listed on the same sailing mentioned on my post above

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists

Name: Kezia Pitts
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Age: 53 Arrival Date: 16 Aug 1853
ArrivalPort: Port Phillip Bay, Australia
DeparturePort: London
Ship: Hempsyke
Nationality: English

Name: Kezia Plume
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Age: 28
Arrival Date: 16 Aug 1853
ArrivalPort: Port Phillip Bay, Australia
DeparturePort: London
Ship: Hempsyke
Nationality: English

Name: James Pitts
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Age: 22
Arrival Date: 16 Aug 1853
ArrivalPort: Port Phillip Bay, Australia
DeparturePort: London
Ship: Hempsyke
Nationality: English

Name: Plume
Arrival Date: 16 Aug 1853
ArrivalPort: Port Phillip Bay, Australia
DeparturePort: London
Ship: Hempsyke
Nationality: English