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    Exclamation Billington, Emma Selina

    What a great idea, thank you so much. I have 2 brick walls but maybe you will only deal with one? Firstly is Billington, the name of my great grandmother, Emma Selina ( her name on her marriage certificate)she was married in 1880 aged 23 to Joseph Mark Perkins. The certificate also states that she was born in Bethnal Green in 1858 and her father, John was a Cab proprietor. I cannot find any more proof of her. The family story ( from my grandmother)was that her mother died when she was 12 and she was then put into a home because her father didn't feel he could look after her. At 14 she was put into service and eventually "adopted" by a 'lady' who took in girls so they would be safe. She worked there until she married. There are also stories of a Welsh great grandmother and a relationship to a hangman ( Billington? )
    Now during my research I have leanred that thewre was indeed a hangman named billington but the Welsh side??? I heard my great Aunt talk of the names Kennedy and griffiths , very difficult with so many.

    The other name is Samuel Christopher Perkins which seems to have been a family name because before Joseph was Samuel, born in 1852 and Samuel born in 1827 and his father born around 1786. The 1786 S C perkins I would like to trace . All were Coppersmiths and indented the eldest boy to the same trade, possibly other chidren too for they all seemed to be in the metal trade, but where did they originate from?
    I would be grateful for light on any of these names . Thank you again

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    Hi Bubbles.

    Could this be her death? Emma Selina Perkins, died Oct/Dec quarter 1908, age 50 yrs. Edmonton Reg. Dist. Vol. 3a Page 246 refers.

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    Hi Bubbles

    Ive looked at marriage Cert. it doesnt state she was born Bethnel Green , but residing at Camden Street as was Joseph Mark Perkins . However census tells us she was born St. Pancras anyway . Also their was a Griffith as a wittness to marriage . I still am unable as yet to find her birth.
    Last edited by Chris; 23-10-2010 at 08:32 AM.

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    There is a family tree relating to her on A****** that well known subscription site. Apologies if you are already aware of it, or it is in fact your tree.

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    Dear BubbIes
    the nearest heIp Is this record from ...

    1881 RG11/0273/~F17 9 Camden Street, Islington, Middlesex


    Joseph M Perkins

    26

    Head
    Tin Plate Worker
    Holborn, Middlesex
    Emma S Perkins

    22

    Wife
    Formerly Nurse
    St Pancras, Middlesex
    'Census information CrownCopyright, in care of TNA'

    Kind regards......................... Bandit

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    This is the full entry for Chris's post:

    London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
    Name: Joseph Mark Perkins Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1860
    Spouse Name: Emma Selina Billington Spouse Age: 22
    Marriage Date: 29 Jun 1880
    Parish: St Silas, Pentonville County: Middlesex Borough: Islington
    Father Name: Alfred Mark Perkins Tin plate worker
    Spouse Father Name: John Billington cab propriator
    Both living Camden Street.
    can only read One witness D Griffiths




    Thanks Noggin i should have put it that way xxxx
    Last edited by Chris; 24-10-2010 at 02:20 PM.
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    This is Alfred Mark's Baptism.

    London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
    Name: Alfred Mark Perkins Record Type: Baptism
    Estimated Birth Date: abt 1835 Baptism Date: 11 Jan 1835
    Father's name: Samuel Perkins Mother's name: Frances Perkins
    Parish or Poor Law Union: Queen Square St George the Martyr
    Borough: Camden
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

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    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

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    This looks like Alfred's marriage:

    London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
    Name: Alfred Mark Perkins Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1834
    Spouse Name: Elizabeth Wallis Spouse Age: 25
    Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1859
    Parish: Holy Trinity, Grays Inn Road County: Middlesex Borough: Hackney
    Father Name: Samuel Christopher Perkins
    Spouse Father Name: Joseph Wallis

    1851 Census PERKINS, Samuel
    HOLBORN, Middlesex
    HO107 piece 1513 folio 454 page 48

    If you look at the census above it as a Samuel, a brazier born in Sheernes ? Kent in 1807.

    I think the entry might be wrong because it as son Thomas born 1811. Immediately below it as Frances
    b 1829. I believe this Frances is Samuels wife, check it out see what you think.
    '' No one knows who we are or where we are going until we have been and gone ''.

    Researching the following families;
    Kitchin & Sharpe, Cumberland, Canada, USA : Dixon, Lancashire, Westmorland, USA
    Fell & Hanslow, Warwickshire, Staffordshire, USA Australia.
    Guess, Buckinghamshire : Meakins, Northamptonshire

    Census data courtesy & Copyright, of the UK National Archives

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    Hi Noggin
    Thank you so much..this is a confusing entry , it looks as though the Sheerness is in Hertfiordshire on the original image (Ancestry)and indeed on many sites it is entered as such, which of course we know to be wrong, also "Frances" on the original was entered as "Francis"the male name. so ypur supposition I feel is the right one . Further confusion is caused by the family name being Samuel Christopher, making it difficult to know whether you have the father, son or grandson.
    Once again thanks , I want to go further back from here so think I can now
    Bubbles

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    Hallo Finbar . This site is great, you have thrown light on details I have not got. I have the marriage certificate and yes you are right , the family tree is mine, however I had not made out the witness name , Griffiths was ( again from word of mouth) a family name Griffiths married a Kennedy , Kennedy, Irish settled in Wales. When the move to England was made I don't know , that is the piece of the jigsaw I need to find now
    Bubbles

 

 

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